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7 Responses to “CIALIS FOR SALE”

  1. Seraphya Says:
    March 20th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    While I happen to have thought that criticizing Israeli policy was ok in the diaspora(I have since made Aliyah rendering the point moot), you must crunch the numbers.

    75% of Israelis according to this poll say that there are limits on the criticism

    And 50% of Israelis also say you should not criticize at all.

    Well the left has an opening to criticize Israeli policy now, because of the anti-disengagement movement in the diaspora, but it doesn’t mean that Israelis think it is fine.

  2. daniel Says:
    March 20th, 2007 at 8:19 pm

    Seraphya,

    You’re right about the meaning of the numbers. One shouldn’t exaggerate the willingness of Israelis to listen to the judgments of Diaspora Jews about anything. I’ve got enough friends and family in Israel to realize that:)

    But I was surprised at how many Israelis believe that Jews like me have a right to weigh in on at least some matters. The numbers show a connection between us, a sense of at least some shared responsibility for each other. That is heartening.

    And it is a potentially important development. The extent to which American Jews should criticize Israel has never been easy to figure out. But now it is even more difficult, because:

    1) On the one hand, most of us don’t want to add the growing derision and hostility towards everything connected to the Zionist enterprise.
    2) On the other hand, Israeli policy directly affects us, as I said in my post on redefining the relationship. The Hebron settlers who took over that house aren’t just your problem. They are my problem, too.

    So we need new protocols, new rules of decorum, new ways of dealing with our shared problems.

  3. Alvin Says:
    March 20th, 2007 at 8:21 pm

    Daniel-
    You’re forgetting the very particular distinction between criticizing Israel and criticizing policy. The former essentialy means to say something against its existence, and the latter against its actions. Please be clearer in your headlines/titles.

  4. daniel Says:
    March 20th, 2007 at 9:08 pm

    Alvin,

    I’ve never heard of that formulation. To “criticize Israel” means to “say something against its existence?” I don’t know anyone –except, I guess, you– who reflexively equates one with the other. But if you are expressing a belief –or an intepretation of syntax–that is commonly held, I would like to know about it.

    If I say, “I criticized my kid this morning,” doesn’t that imply that I criticised her for something specific, like not cleaning her room, as opposed to questioning her right to exist?

  5. Richard Silverstein Says:
    March 21st, 2007 at 4:20 am

    I was struck by the fact that 40% of Israelis don’t want to hear Diaspora criticism, while 86% want us to keep the shekels coming there way. A bit schizoid isn’t that? They like the color of our money but not the ideas in our minds.

  6. Mike Says:
    March 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    I’ll rephrase what I THINK Alvin meant to say (although I don’t know him so I can’t be sure!):

    There is a difference between criticizing Israeli policy and being critical of its very existence. And (my goodness, is Richard actually correct here?) if I’m supporting Israel via various charities, not to mention putting myself out in public to stand up for Israel in the face of jihadis (well, you haven’t done THAT bit, have you Richard?), then I sure as hell retain my right to criticize actions or policies of the government.

    As Seraphya points out, there are limits to the criticism, and also one must look at the underlying motive. When it comes from those who align themselves with the above-mentioned jihadis, who can’t even bear to support the concept of Israel as a Jewish state, then such criticism is justifiably suspect as to its underlying motive.
    When I criticize my children, it’s because I want them to act properly, to become better people, etc. I don’t criticize them saying “I wish you’d never been born, the world would be a beter place without you; I don’t really care if you live or die.” And if I’m hanging out on the corner with the bullies who keep threatening to kill them, then they’d be entitled to be just a bit skeptical of my “well-intentioned” criticism.

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