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  1. J-boy Says:
    April 11th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Amazing to read what some people in the blog-o-world believe is useful and educational commentary. This guy Philip Weiss actually wrote that he wouldn’t want Ruth Wisse or Michael Walzer to be President of Harvard because, well, they are proud to be Jews???!!! If that isn’t anti-Semitism, then I would like to know what is.(But, oh no, we’re not supposed to use the “a-word.” Using the a-word, we are told is just a way to shut critics of Israel up)…

    In his earlier post, the one you responded to, Weiss wrote that there was an “integrationist price” one had to pay in order to enjoy the benefits of full participation in American life. I became very curious about this guy and went back and looked at his blog on the NY Observer. A few years ago, it seems like he was just starting to think about his own American Jewish identity and his views of Zionism. If you read through it, month by month, you will have the privilege of observing the slow birth of an anti-Semitic mind. He is encouraged by a posse of Neturei Karta supporters and people who take a few quotes from Hertzl and Ben Gurion and Sharon, mash them all together, and try to show that the Zionists welcomed the Holocaust. They don’t just show that some of the Zionists didn’t work hard enough to stop it (a charge that could be levied against the entire civilized and uncivilized world). They don’t just show that a few Zionists tried to take advantage of it by offering to pay the Nazis for the transport of refugees to Palestine or did other things that, in retrospect, were not always admirable. They try to show that the Zionists welcomed the Holocaust!!! And that’s their strategy for answering us when we tell them the Holocaust made it essential for Jews to have a state of their own because no other country would take them in.

    Now some of those same people are on his new blog. Frightening stuff.

  2. Richard Witty Says:
    April 11th, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    Dove,
    I liked your comments on April 1. I’m not sure I like your comments above.

    Why not invite him over to your house on or after shabbat and share some food, some songs, a hike, some joking, some study, some prayer?

    You know “substance over form”.

  3. Dan Fleshler Says:
    April 11th, 2007 at 5:36 pm

    Richard,

    Phil is a friend, although our relationship is obviously complicated. I don’t think he minds if I express irritation with his views on this particular subject; on the contrary, he expects it. I also don’t think he’s likely to be interested in prayer, but maybe you’re right. Maybe it’s worth a try.

    Best,
    Dan

  4. realistic Israeli Says:
    April 11th, 2007 at 5:49 pm

    Weiss’ recent discovery of his “Jewish self-hatred” probably has more to do with his professional failures and faltering career than objective analysis.

  5. Chris Says:
    April 11th, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    Does he know any people of color? We certainly reject this idea that one has to “integrate” in order to receive the benefits of being an American. I am a proud Latino and a proud Jew; I honor both of those identities and receive much sustenance from them both. I do not see any contradiction in this.

    Also, he does not realize that there are many consciously secualr Jews who, while not believing in the religious aspect of Judaism, are PROUD Jews.

  6. Dan Fleshleer Says:
    April 11th, 2007 at 8:32 pm

    Realistic Israeli,

    That borders on an unnacceptable, gratuitous, personal insult that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I won’t delete it, as obviously I also pushed the envelope with my comment on Henry Ford (which I’ve been tempted to delete but have retained because I do think it is a valid intellectual comparison) and understand how upsetting this topic can be. But please base your comments on the evidence. Thanks.
    Dan

  7. Richard Witty Says:
    April 11th, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    Dan,
    There are many prayers that anyone would be attracted to.

    I love the opening prayer to the seder, “Thank you for bringing us to this season”, which bridge two cultures during my lifetime.

    The first is a bridge to my hippie upbringing, remembering the Grateful Dead song with the line “see here how everything leads up to this day”.

    The second bridge is to self-identified Judaism and of just Zionism, “IF you keep my commandments, the land will be for you a birthright and I will bring the rain in its season” (a metaphor for things in their right place, natural, comfortable, just).

    “Thank you for forming me and the world, for every influence that has brought me to this moment, to this condition. Thank you for making me human, male, Jew. I accept my reality thankfully.”

    If one does not accept one’s identity, including everything that contributed to it in dna, upbringing, teaching, friendships, context, then one is by definition not “self-accepting”, and possibly “self-hating” if the confusions have grown thick.

    When the term is used as a pejorative though, it ceases to have the real meaning of an invitation to self-acceptance and active community and spiritual relationship, and ends up further clouding rather than liberating or self-affirming anything.

    For what its worth, although the Neturai Karta revise history in failing to acknowledge the plight of the traumatized post-WW2 Jewish refugees (persecuted in their homes – Poland, Russia, Hungary, Rumania, France; and mostly denied admittance to US, Great Britain, South Africa, Australia), the essence of their assertion is in the repeated conditional promise in Torah “IF you keep my commandments, the land will be for you a birthright”.

    That contrasts with many of the settler movement’s neo-religious view that the condition that Jews have to fulfill is to take the land, that somehow that is the summary of Torah, rather than Hillel’s “do not do unto others what is distasteful unto you”.

  8. Dan Fleshler Says:
    April 11th, 2007 at 10:35 pm

    Richard,

    Just about anything recited or read during the Seder can be meaningful to anyone, Jewish or not..except perhaps for Chad Gad Ya, which I once heard described as a rationalization for Zionist oppression (someone actually said that to me!). So perhaps I will invite Phil to my next seder.

    Let’s not forget that there has long been a tiny but inspiring peace movement among modern Orthodox (i.e., not haredi or anti-Zionist) Jews. The people from Oz v’Shalom are the ones I used to encounter and some of them are still around. I’m under the impression there are newer groups as well. There are many ways to intepret the holiness of the holy land and God’s promise to the Jewish people as evidence that we must share the land. The settlers don’t have a monopoly on interpretation –no one does.

  9. Richard Silverstein Says:
    April 11th, 2007 at 11:39 pm

    I too share some slight discomfort with some of Phil’s views about Israel and Zionism. But I have to say that Phil manages to say things in ways that other folks might give me hives. And with Phil I can take it in stride. He’s just not polemical in ways that so many others are. If we all could present our views in ways as tolerant & respectful as Phil we wouldn’t have half the intolerance we often see in this debate.

    Likewise, Phil isn’t intolerant of those who don’t share his views on Zionism. It’s quite a remarkable phenomenon. He almost has a Buddhist-Jewish soul.

  10. Richard Witty Says:
    April 12th, 2007 at 5:57 am

    Buddhist and personal ethical life is primarily oriented to the quality of individual character and person.

    The fulcrum of Jewish life is largely the character of community, not individuality. Individual morality is important as a means to construct a wonderful community life.

    One of the conflicts that Zionism as a nation building movement both solved and then contradicted and then “unsolved” was emphasis on community.

    In some respects “nation” may be described as the community of communities, and therefore natural, non-exclusive, both venue for reconciliation between communities and a thing in itself.

    Rather than a focus on Jewish community, with majority of emphasis on internal relationships, but some emphasis on relationships with others, modern Zionism shifted the focus of attention and institutions to nation. Community was no longer the focus.

    Not intimate, not prayerful, not friendship, not an elegant social scale of ecological balance and versatility, not flexible in dealing with one’s neighbors.

    Zionism as articulated by Chaim Weizman was a Wilsonian self-governance movement. If Jews are a people, then it is preferable that they self-govern than be governed externally.

    That is also the math of the mandatory phenomena to break up former colonial British regime. (India – Pakistan, Israel – Palestine, Nigeria, others). The logic of that formula is that it is better for there to be two states in areas of ethnic or other cultural majority in which potentially tyrranized minorities comprise only 20% of the population (not a threatening number to the majority), than a single state in which minorities comprise 45% of the population in a winner take all society. (Where 45% are harmed in what would be an oil/water law, is a formula for brutal civil war.) Hence the mandate as a lesser of two evils.

    Expansion threatens even that though. Still, the Likud party platform describes the land from the Mediterranean to the Jordan as Israel. And the Hamas party platform describes the land from the Mediterranean to the Jordan as Palestine.

    But, the former majorities as indicated by electoral polls in Israel and less formal polls in Palestine, indicated support for civil parties, secular, non-expansionist.

    That is no longer the case in Palestine (as indicated by the Hamas election), and presumably not in Israel depending on whether Kadima morphs back into Likud or opts to morph into Labor.

    Traumatized nations (short and long term) defend more than they are willing to risk or even construct.

    So, what is best for us? What do we do with our short, finite lives?

    One of the reasons that anti-zionism is getting attention currently, is do to the impotence of the peace movement to effect a better alternative. Those that articulate an ethic of mutual decency, even assistance, are trumped in both American and Israeli politics, and slowly but relentlessly, Palestinians get more and more cornered and ignored. (Not to mention the righting of prior wrongs, even if inevitable or necessary.)

    No matter that a peaceful Zionism approach is the lesser of two political evils. That option is also “slowly” moving off the menu, shifting to “which side are you on?”.

  11. realistic Israeli Says:
    April 12th, 2007 at 10:12 am

    “I feel that realistic dove and Walzer are both failing to understand this moment in Jewish history.” -Philip Weiss

    Only a poser like Weiss- with a dilettante’s knowledge of Jewish history- would make such a comment.

  12. Dan Fleshler Says:
    April 12th, 2007 at 10:39 am

    Realistic Israeli,

    Another way to interpret it is he is educating himself day by day, and thinking about what he’s learned, and then imparting what he has learned and thought about. So we are observing a sometimes tormented, but always well-intentioned, quest to discover what to believe.

    In pre-Web says, such insights and observations would have been shared with a few friends in grad school bull sessions. Or they would have been jotted down in journals. Now, they are shared with the universe.

    I don’t agree with J-boy’s characterization (1st comment above) about the “slow birth of an anti-Semitic mind.” At least I don’t agree with it yet. My problem is that some of Phil’s posts provide fodder to people who, as Richard Silvertstein writes, “give me hives,” and Phil does not seem to be concerned.

  13. Victoria Says:
    April 13th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    I believe the issue of dual loyalty is one that must be discussed. That is what Phil Weiss has called for in the past. It is clearly not in America’s interests to give Israel massive amounts of aid and protect and defend its leaders no matter what they do. If Administration officials like Elliot Abrams or former officials like Douglas Feith supported the settlers and Likud governments in the past, why is it taboo to suggest that they might not be the best people to help shape America’s Middle East policy?

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