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		<description><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In <a HREF="http://www.unityunitarian.org/documents/25may2008.pdf">The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House in Jerusalem</a>, he described an early version of the Middle East peace process industry:

<blockquote>The mediators, the peacemakers, the compromise-shapers,
the comforters
live in the white house
and get their nourishment from far away,
through winding pipes, through dark veins, like a fetus.

And their secretaries are lipsticked and laughing,
and their sturdy chauffeurs wait below, like horses in a stable,
and the trees that shade them have their roots in no-man’s land
and the illusions are children who went out to find cyclamen
in the field
and did not come back.

</blockquote>

After devoting more lines to sadly mocking this nest of illusionists, Amichai concludes:

<blockquote>And hopes come to me like bold seafarers,
like the discoverers of continents coming to an island,
and stay for a day or two
and rest…
And then they set sail.
</blockquote>

There has been an unrelenting barrage of gloomy pronouncements about the Israeli-Palestinian talks. All manner of pundits from the right, left and center have explained why the talks will amount to nothing and might even do more harm than good, why only fools and impractical dreamers would permit our bold seafarers, our hopes, to arrive and remain.

One of the most thorough and convincing critiques comes from <a HREF="http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=864">Donald Horowitz</A>, a scholar who doesn’t seem to have any ax to grind (HT: Tom Mitchell).  On the left, <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/netanyahu-reneges-on-freeze-rabbi-calls-for-plague-to-kill-all-palestinians-on-eve-of-obamas-peace-talks.html">Juan Cole</a> explains “how little Netanyahu is interested in real peace with the Palestinians” and offers compelling reasons to be scornful.  On the right, <a HREF="http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2010/08/pa-authority-incitement-to-kill-israelis-and-destroy-israel">Barry Rubin</a> is equally convincing when he explains how “Palestinian Authority incitement to kill Israelis and destroy Israel” is a “powerful subverter of chances for peace.” (Note that he is talking about the PA, not Hamas).</blockquote>



Just wander around the blogosphere for five minutes and you will find many more.

If you were expecting persuasive rebuttals, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don’t disagree with any of these arguments for gloom. <a HREF=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/want-that-israeli-palesti_b_701239.html>Daniel Levy</a> probably doesn’t disagree either, although he bravely shoulders the burden of showing why the talks might defy expectations and amount to something: 

<blockquote>(T)he main reason for hope rests with the potential that President Obama, having taken ownership of this issue, will pursue decisive leadership down the line. As a candidate, Barack Obama flirted with a definition of pro-Israel that was more sophisticated and more relevant to contemporary realities than the standard fare served up by pandering politicians (at a campaign stop with Jewish leadership in Cleveland, Ohio, he suggested that pro-Israel need not only be defined as pro-Likud. In insisting that a two-state solution and comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace is in the U.S. interest, President Obama is advancing a narrative that was adopted rather late in the day by his predecessor and that is very much the consensus of the U.S. military... 

…The seemingly plodding progress made by the Obama administration thus far can be more generously interpreted as the U.S. methodically walking the parties to a place where decisive U.S. intervention and presentation of U.S. proposals becomes more possible, more justifiable, and more likely to succeed. According to that view, this week represents another and particularly important step in that direction. American officials have openly acknowledged that bridging proposals might be forthcoming and are showing a greater commitment to being present in the room at negotiations than has been the case in past efforts. </blockquote>

That helps. At least it helps a little bit. But even if the PA and Israel astonishingly come to terms under American auspices, given the deep political divisions within both peoples, and given the profound gaps in their narratives, it is unlikely that either party would be able to implement an  agreement that would hold up in the near future.

If there is little hope for the short-term, though, that doesn’t mean the long-term prospects are entirely bleak.  Lately, the popular analogy of this mess to the one in Northern Ireland has been demolished by many different commentators, including Horowitz and Levy. They point out the many differences between the players and the circumstances of the two conflicts.   But they miss the most important point about the Republican-Unionist struggles, a more general and much much less complicated point: eventually, people in both communities just couldn’t take any more violence and turmoil. Eventually, the extremists on both sides decided that violence was counterproductive and gave up their maximalist demands.

Tom Mitchell is one of the few people around with a detailed knowledge of the nuances of both conflicts. In a message he sent to me that will eventually become part of a post, he wrote: “Peace in Northern Ireland came about only after the Republican Movement realized that a military victory was impossible and that there was a political cost to pay for the continued conflict.”

In a subsequent note, he gave one explanation of why the Republicans made that decision, a point that will make the left very uncomfortable: “British, and to a lesser extent Irish, intelligence did a very good job of infiltrating the IRA and INLA during the 1980s and early 1990s and thus were able to neutralize many IRA operations and imprison experienced terrorists.” 

For a host of reasons, somehow both sides eventually grew tired enough to put aside centuries of resentment and bitter memories and sectarian passions.  

There are any number of reasons why that kind of transformation probably won't happen in Israel and the territories. But no one should assert with smug certainty that it will NEVER happen. Nor should anyone try to predict how long it will take. People and nations do change, change utterly. Grand ideologies are discarded and others replace them (e.g., China got fed up with Maoism and embraced free enterprise). Assumptions are overturned. Bitter conflicts somehow end (think France and Germany). That is not a very sophisticated political analysis, but that doesn't make it less true. Right now, I confess it is the only reason for my bold seafarers to hang around.

So I will conclude with Yehuda Amichai, who, unsurprisingly, got it right decades ago. In “Sort of an Apocalypse,” he wrote:


<blockquote>And they’ll beat their swords into plowshares and plowshares into swords, 
And so on and so on, and back and forth. 
Perhaps from being beaten thinner and thinner 
the iron of hatred will vanish forever. </blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a  Pew Research Center poll. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But Charles M. Blow’s take on the poll in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a <a HREF=”http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1781”> Pew Research Center poll</A>. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But <a HREF=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/opinion/21blow.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=charles%20m%20blow&st=cse”>Charles M. Blow’s</A> take on the poll in the New York Times is even more troubling, because it bolsters the canard that American Jews are single-issue voters who judge politicians mainly on the basis of their positions on Israel.  Commenting on Pew’s results, Blow asserts, “This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration’s having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel while `taking special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.’”

Blow devotes much of the article to describing the Obama administration’s rocky relationship with Israel and the extent to which this troubles the Jewish community. 

But he does not even mention the possibility that many Jewish voters are troubled by Obama and the Dems for the same reasons that other voters are troubled: the sorry state of the economy, concerns about the health care initiative, a general feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. And he offers no evidence whatsoever that Obama's dealings with Israel are more important to these voters than domestic matters. 
 
On the contrary, any number of surveys show that Israel-related matters are a relatively low priority for most American Jewish voters. When pollsters from <A HREF=”http://marchpoll.s3.amazonaws.com/J%20Street%20Survey%20March%202010%20Final%20Results.pdf”>Gerstein Agne</A> asked American Jews in March to choose the top two issues they will use to decide their 2010 Congressional votes, Israel ranked 7th. It was deemed to be less important than the economy, health care, the deficit and government spending, Social Security and Medicare, and terrorism and national security. Israel was given the same ranking as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 10% of the respondents chose Israel as one of their top two issues.

Similarly, while Israel’s fate is certainly a concern for most American Jews, an <a HREF=”http://www.forward.com/articles/12257/”>American Jewish Committee poll</a> in November, 2007 revealed that it is an obsession for a tiny minority of Jewish voters:

When asked to pick their most important campaign issue from a list of options, 23% of those surveyed named the economy and jobs, followed by health care (19%), the war in Iraq (16%), terrorism and national security (14%), support for Israel (6%), immigration (6%) and the energy crisis (6%).

Does Israel matter to the American Jews who have jumped ship and joined the Republicans in recent months? Most likely. But nowhere in the results of the Pew poll or any previous survey is there an indication that issues connected to Israel are the most important factors in determining American Jews’ political affiliations. 

As I’ve noted <a HREF=”http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/191”>elsewhere</a> on this blog, “Israel is one of the things Americans Jews care about and worry about, but when it is time to exercise our civic responsibilities, what happens here at home is what matters most to us.”



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<p>I believe Philip Weiss is making a good faith effort to understand Israelis and their followers in the U.S. He is correct in saying that the "fearful" have too much power, at least in the American Jewish community. But he should understand that there are widows, widowers, orphans, maimed victims and justifiable fears on both sides of the conflict.</p>
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<p>(Long, <b>Köpa rabatterade viagra</b>, long pause).  <b>Order viagra</b>, “Si, could we get back to the original topic. Your son should know that the volunteers on that ship were pro-Hamas activists. They were armed with clubs and knives because they wanted a confrontation, <b>Kaufen viagra</b>. That was their choice, <b>Buy viagra no rx</b>, not ours.”</p>
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<p>“Has he been to Israel. Does he understand how complex the situation is?”</p>
<p>“Sure he’s been there. This summer, he went to Bi’lin, on the West Bank, and he saw how the security barrier cut that village in half. So he joined the protestors. I told him that was a mistake…But I didn’t really believe what I was saying, <b>order viagra</b>. Now he’s considering joining the boycotters when he gets back to school. You’ve lost him. But I don’t want to lose him. Forget it.  <b>Order viagra</b>, Enough is enough. The respect of my kid is more important to me than helping your country!”</p>
<p>“Look, if you’re concerned about him, why not tell him he doesn’t need to leave the fold.  There are liberal Zionists against the occupation. He can still find a home in the pro-Israel community."</p>
<p>“You mean an official of the Israeli government is recommending that someone join J Street, or Americans for Peace Now, or Ameinu. Does the Foreign Ministry know about this?”</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[ The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by Peter Beinart Buy cheap viagra online, in the New York Review of Books.  Köpa viagra online, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by <a HREF="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/?pagination=false">Peter Beinart</A> <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, in the New York Review of Books.  <b>Köpa viagra online</b>, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern for Palestinian dignity."</p>
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<p><blockquote><strong><em>The heads of AIPAC and the Presidents’ Conference should ask themselves what Israel’s leaders would have to do or say to make them scream “no.” After all, Lieberman is foreign minister; Effi Eitam  [a Netanyahu appointee who has openly recommended ethnic cleansing] is touring American universities; settlements are growing at triple the rate of the Israeli population; half of Israeli Jewish high school students want Arabs barred from the Knesset, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Utah UT </b>, If the line has not yet been crossed, where is the line, <b>goedkope viagra apotheek</b>.  <b>Delaware DE Del. </b>, </strong></em></blockquote></p>
<p>There is no line and there never will be.  Asking AIPAC and the most powerful players in the Presidents' Conference to publicly criticize Israeli policy is like asking a dog to play poker, <b>order viagra cod</b>.  <b>Idaho ID </b>, Beinart is urging a violation of the laws of nature, of organizational DNA, <b>Missouri MO Mo. </b>.  <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, AIPAC and the leaders of the Presidents Conference are--and probably always will be--guided by the credo that differences with Israel can be voiced behind closed doors but never in the open air.  <b>Order viagra online</b>, Beinart concludes his essay by urging "American Jewish organizations" to bring to Hillel some of the young Israelis who are regularly protesting the expropriation of Arab housing in Sheikh Jarrah, in East Jerusalem, <b>comprar en línea viagra</b>.  <b>Viagra sale</b>, "What if this was the face of Zionism shown to America's young?" That is a lovely idea but it is mystifying that he somehow expects the hidebound Jewish establishment to make it real.</p>
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<p>Among the valuable tidbits are some responses to common arguments in defense of Israeli behavior in Jerusalem. These are the truths Eli Wiesel either doesn't know or wilfully ignores:</p>
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<p>• "Jews may build in East Jerusalem just as Arabs may build in West Jerusalem."</p>
<p>The truth is it is practically impossible for Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to buy or build houses in West Jerusalem, <b>Iowa IA </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, Most of the lands in Israel are "state lands" and, according to the Israel Land Administration (ILA), <b>købe viagra</b>, <b>New Hampshire NH N.H. </b>, anyone who is not an Israeli citizen (or entitled to immigrate to Israel according to the Law of Return) must obtain a special ILA permit before they can buy or own state lands or apartments built on them (and such permits are issued only in most irregular cases).</p>
<p>• "We plan for Arabs too, not only for settlers."</p>
<p>One of the first issues that Barkat addressed was the promotion of "The King's Garden" plan for the construction of a Biblical park in the Bustan Neighborhood in Silwan, <b>buy viagra</b>.  It was to be built on the ruins of dozens of Palestinian houses that were to be demolished because they were built without permits, <b>cheapest viagra in the world</b>.  <b>Viagra cheap</b>, The plan attracted great international criticism.  Attempting to justify the vast demolitions, <b>ordering viagra</b>, <b>Halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Barkat promised he would promote a grand construction plan for Palestinians near the Bustan park.  At the same time, <b>buy cheap viagra</b>, <b>Viagra generic</b>, Barkat is trying to prevent the execution of an evacuation order issued against Jewish settlers who reside on Jonathan House in Silwan, while vowing again to promote a plan for the legalization of illegal Palestinian houses, <b>billige viagra apotek</b>, <b>Viagra without prescription</b>, including Jonathan House.  <b>Buy viagra</b>, The truth is that even if these plans survive the long and expensive planning process and become valid, there is very little chance for the Palestinians to actually realize them due to difficulties associated with land ownership and many other economic and planning problems.  Past experience shows that when the city attempts to build a settlement (in Ras al-Amud and earlier in Bet Orot in As-Sawane), <b>Louisiana LA </b>, <b>Farmacia viagra baratos</b>, it presents them as running parallel with plans for Arabs.  Eventually, <b>ordering viagra online without prescription</b>, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, in the said case, the Jewish plan was realized, <b>acheter viagra discount</b>, <b>Buy viagra online cheap</b>, but the Palestinian plan was not.</p>
<p>• "House demolitions in East Jerusalem are about law-enforcement and are part of our struggle against illegal construction."</p>
<p>The truth is that houses are built illegally in East Jerusalem as a direct result of the ongoing lack of plans for Palestinians and negligence of some one-third of the Jerusalem residents, <b>cheap viagra pills</b>, <b>Cheap viagra</b>, whon one cannot describe them all as "construction criminals".  Since 1967, <b>Michigan MI Mich. </b>, the government initiated the planning and construction of some 50,000 apartments for Jews in East Jerusalem, while less than 700 such units were initiated for the Palestinians (and only in the 1970's). </strong></blockquote></p>
<p>You can find more myths and facts in an April 27th piece by APN's <a HREF="http://peacenow.org/entries/top_10_barkat_myths">Lara Friedman</A>.</p>
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<p>Dan #1: But this resolution places all blame for the conflict on Israel, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. Its rhetoric could have demonstrated an understanding of the complexity of the situation, <b>bestill viagra online</b>, the fact that two sides have contributed mightily to this mess, but it did not do so. Israel is the only party that’s held accountable.</p>
<p>Dan #2: I would have written the resolution differently.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So why support a document if you’re not sure you agree with parts of it.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, This one also alleges that certain Israeli acts in Gaza were “war crimes.” Isn’t that inaccurate. Don’t you think the standard rules of war are inapplicable to many of the situations Israel faced, where combatants took shelter among civilians.</p>
<p>Dan #2 (pause for a deep deep breath): I am not sure if technically they were war crimes. But Israel put itself in a situation where a great many civilian casualties were inevitable. It didn’t have to make that choice.  The whole enterprise was meant to send the message: “Ba’al ha bayit hishtageyah (the master of the house has gone crazy).” Children were killed as a result, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. They didn’t have to die.</p>
<p>Dan #1:  It’s easy for you to say that from the comfort of your American armchair. In the real world, something had to be done to stop Hamas. C’mon.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Be honest with yourself. You’re just trying to win friends on the left. You want them to think you’re “progressive.”</p>
<p>Dan #2: Maybe. But they won’t like you, and you’re also Dan Fleshler.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So you’re not really taking a stand. You’re just posting both points of view. Isn’t that the coward’s way out.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I don’t see anyone else posting both points of view.  Ambivalent people deserve a voice, too.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In <a HREF="http://www.unityunitarian.org/documents/25may2008.pdf">The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House in Jerusalem</a>, he described an early version of the Middle East peace process industry:

<blockquote>The mediators, the peacemakers, the compromise-shapers,
the comforters
live in the white house
and get their nourishment from far away,
through winding pipes, through dark veins, like a fetus.

And their secretaries are lipsticked and laughing,
and their sturdy chauffeurs wait below, like horses in a stable,
and the trees that shade them have their roots in no-man’s land
and the illusions are children who went out to find cyclamen
in the field
and did not come back.

</blockquote>

After devoting more lines to sadly mocking this nest of illusionists, Amichai concludes:

<blockquote>And hopes come to me like bold seafarers,
like the discoverers of continents coming to an island,
and stay for a day or two
and rest…
And then they set sail.
</blockquote>

There has been an unrelenting barrage of gloomy pronouncements about the Israeli-Palestinian talks. All manner of pundits from the right, left and center have explained why the talks will amount to nothing and might even do more harm than good, why only fools and impractical dreamers would permit our bold seafarers, our hopes, to arrive and remain.

One of the most thorough and convincing critiques comes from <a HREF="http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=864">Donald Horowitz</A>, a scholar who doesn’t seem to have any ax to grind (HT: Tom Mitchell).  On the left, <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/netanyahu-reneges-on-freeze-rabbi-calls-for-plague-to-kill-all-palestinians-on-eve-of-obamas-peace-talks.html">Juan Cole</a> explains “how little Netanyahu is interested in real peace with the Palestinians” and offers compelling reasons to be scornful.  On the right, <a HREF="http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2010/08/pa-authority-incitement-to-kill-israelis-and-destroy-israel">Barry Rubin</a> is equally convincing when he explains how “Palestinian Authority incitement to kill Israelis and destroy Israel” is a “powerful subverter of chances for peace.” (Note that he is talking about the PA, not Hamas).</blockquote>



Just wander around the blogosphere for five minutes and you will find many more.

If you were expecting persuasive rebuttals, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don’t disagree with any of these arguments for gloom. <a HREF=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/want-that-israeli-palesti_b_701239.html>Daniel Levy</a> probably doesn’t disagree either, although he bravely shoulders the burden of showing why the talks might defy expectations and amount to something: 

<blockquote>(T)he main reason for hope rests with the potential that President Obama, having taken ownership of this issue, will pursue decisive leadership down the line. As a candidate, Barack Obama flirted with a definition of pro-Israel that was more sophisticated and more relevant to contemporary realities than the standard fare served up by pandering politicians (at a campaign stop with Jewish leadership in Cleveland, Ohio, he suggested that pro-Israel need not only be defined as pro-Likud. In insisting that a two-state solution and comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace is in the U.S. interest, President Obama is advancing a narrative that was adopted rather late in the day by his predecessor and that is very much the consensus of the U.S. military... 

…The seemingly plodding progress made by the Obama administration thus far can be more generously interpreted as the U.S. methodically walking the parties to a place where decisive U.S. intervention and presentation of U.S. proposals becomes more possible, more justifiable, and more likely to succeed. According to that view, this week represents another and particularly important step in that direction. American officials have openly acknowledged that bridging proposals might be forthcoming and are showing a greater commitment to being present in the room at negotiations than has been the case in past efforts. </blockquote>

That helps. At least it helps a little bit. But even if the PA and Israel astonishingly come to terms under American auspices, given the deep political divisions within both peoples, and given the profound gaps in their narratives, it is unlikely that either party would be able to implement an  agreement that would hold up in the near future.

If there is little hope for the short-term, though, that doesn’t mean the long-term prospects are entirely bleak.  Lately, the popular analogy of this mess to the one in Northern Ireland has been demolished by many different commentators, including Horowitz and Levy. They point out the many differences between the players and the circumstances of the two conflicts.   But they miss the most important point about the Republican-Unionist struggles, a more general and much much less complicated point: eventually, people in both communities just couldn’t take any more violence and turmoil. Eventually, the extremists on both sides decided that violence was counterproductive and gave up their maximalist demands.

Tom Mitchell is one of the few people around with a detailed knowledge of the nuances of both conflicts. In a message he sent to me that will eventually become part of a post, he wrote: “Peace in Northern Ireland came about only after the Republican Movement realized that a military victory was impossible and that there was a political cost to pay for the continued conflict.”

In a subsequent note, he gave one explanation of why the Republicans made that decision, a point that will make the left very uncomfortable: “British, and to a lesser extent Irish, intelligence did a very good job of infiltrating the IRA and INLA during the 1980s and early 1990s and thus were able to neutralize many IRA operations and imprison experienced terrorists.” 

For a host of reasons, somehow both sides eventually grew tired enough to put aside centuries of resentment and bitter memories and sectarian passions.  

There are any number of reasons why that kind of transformation probably won't happen in Israel and the territories. But no one should assert with smug certainty that it will NEVER happen. Nor should anyone try to predict how long it will take. People and nations do change, change utterly. Grand ideologies are discarded and others replace them (e.g., China got fed up with Maoism and embraced free enterprise). Assumptions are overturned. Bitter conflicts somehow end (think France and Germany). That is not a very sophisticated political analysis, but that doesn't make it less true. Right now, I confess it is the only reason for my bold seafarers to hang around.

So I will conclude with Yehuda Amichai, who, unsurprisingly, got it right decades ago. In “Sort of an Apocalypse,” he wrote:


<blockquote>And they’ll beat their swords into plowshares and plowshares into swords, 
And so on and so on, and back and forth. 
Perhaps from being beaten thinner and thinner 
the iron of hatred will vanish forever. </blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a  Pew Research Center poll. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a <a HREF=”http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1781”> Pew Research Center poll</A>. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But <a HREF=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/opinion/21blow.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=charles%20m%20blow&st=cse”>Charles M. Blow’s</A> take on the poll in the New York Times is even more troubling, because it bolsters the canard that American Jews are single-issue voters who judge politicians mainly on the basis of their positions on Israel.  Commenting on Pew’s results, Blow asserts, “This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration’s having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel while `taking special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.’”

Blow devotes much of the article to describing the Obama administration’s rocky relationship with Israel and the extent to which this troubles the Jewish community. 

But he does not even mention the possibility that many Jewish voters are troubled by Obama and the Dems for the same reasons that other voters are troubled: the sorry state of the economy, concerns about the health care initiative, a general feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. And he offers no evidence whatsoever that Obama's dealings with Israel are more important to these voters than domestic matters. 
 
On the contrary, any number of surveys show that Israel-related matters are a relatively low priority for most American Jewish voters. When pollsters from <A HREF=”http://marchpoll.s3.amazonaws.com/J%20Street%20Survey%20March%202010%20Final%20Results.pdf”>Gerstein Agne</A> asked American Jews in March to choose the top two issues they will use to decide their 2010 Congressional votes, Israel ranked 7th. It was deemed to be less important than the economy, health care, the deficit and government spending, Social Security and Medicare, and terrorism and national security. Israel was given the same ranking as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 10% of the respondents chose Israel as one of their top two issues.

Similarly, while Israel’s fate is certainly a concern for most American Jews, an <a HREF=”http://www.forward.com/articles/12257/”>American Jewish Committee poll</a> in November, 2007 revealed that it is an obsession for a tiny minority of Jewish voters:

When asked to pick their most important campaign issue from a list of options, 23% of those surveyed named the economy and jobs, followed by health care (19%), the war in Iraq (16%), terrorism and national security (14%), support for Israel (6%), immigration (6%) and the energy crisis (6%).

Does Israel matter to the American Jews who have jumped ship and joined the Republicans in recent months? Most likely. But nowhere in the results of the Pew poll or any previous survey is there an indication that issues connected to Israel are the most important factors in determining American Jews’ political affiliations. 

As I’ve noted <a HREF=”http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/191”>elsewhere</a> on this blog, “Israel is one of the things Americans Jews care about and worry about, but when it is time to exercise our civic responsibilities, what happens here at home is what matters most to us.”



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<p>I believe Philip Weiss is making a good faith effort to understand Israelis and their followers in the U.S. He is correct in saying that the "fearful" have too much power, at least in the American Jewish community. But he should understand that there are widows, widowers, orphans, maimed victims and justifiable fears on both sides of the conflict.</p>
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<p>“He wants to know why I keep automatically defending your country every time it gets accused of something. He says I look for the facts that help me come to Israel’s defense and ignore all of the other facts, <b>Om viagra online</b>.  He accuses me of not wanting to offend everyone else in the JCRC by being a non-conformist and thinking for myself.”</p>
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<p>(Long, <b>Köpa rabatterade viagra</b>, long pause).  <b>Order viagra</b>, “Si, could we get back to the original topic. Your son should know that the volunteers on that ship were pro-Hamas activists. They were armed with clubs and knives because they wanted a confrontation, <b>Kaufen viagra</b>. That was their choice, <b>Buy viagra no rx</b>, not ours.”</p>
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<p>“Has he been to Israel. Does he understand how complex the situation is?”</p>
<p>“Sure he’s been there. This summer, he went to Bi’lin, on the West Bank, and he saw how the security barrier cut that village in half. So he joined the protestors. I told him that was a mistake…But I didn’t really believe what I was saying, <b>order viagra</b>. Now he’s considering joining the boycotters when he gets back to school. You’ve lost him. But I don’t want to lose him. Forget it.  <b>Order viagra</b>, Enough is enough. The respect of my kid is more important to me than helping your country!”</p>
<p>“Look, if you’re concerned about him, why not tell him he doesn’t need to leave the fold.  There are liberal Zionists against the occupation. He can still find a home in the pro-Israel community."</p>
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<p><blockquote><strong><em>The heads of AIPAC and the Presidents’ Conference should ask themselves what Israel’s leaders would have to do or say to make them scream “no.” After all, Lieberman is foreign minister; Effi Eitam  [a Netanyahu appointee who has openly recommended ethnic cleansing] is touring American universities; settlements are growing at triple the rate of the Israeli population; half of Israeli Jewish high school students want Arabs barred from the Knesset, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Utah UT </b>, If the line has not yet been crossed, where is the line, <b>goedkope viagra apotheek</b>.  <b>Delaware DE Del. </b>, </strong></em></blockquote></p>
<p>There is no line and there never will be.  Asking AIPAC and the most powerful players in the Presidents' Conference to publicly criticize Israeli policy is like asking a dog to play poker, <b>order viagra cod</b>.  <b>Idaho ID </b>, Beinart is urging a violation of the laws of nature, of organizational DNA, <b>Missouri MO Mo. </b>.  <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, AIPAC and the leaders of the Presidents Conference are--and probably always will be--guided by the credo that differences with Israel can be voiced behind closed doors but never in the open air.  <b>Order viagra online</b>, Beinart concludes his essay by urging "American Jewish organizations" to bring to Hillel some of the young Israelis who are regularly protesting the expropriation of Arab housing in Sheikh Jarrah, in East Jerusalem, <b>comprar en línea viagra</b>.  <b>Viagra sale</b>, "What if this was the face of Zionism shown to America's young?" That is a lovely idea but it is mystifying that he somehow expects the hidebound Jewish establishment to make it real.</p>
<p>He ignores the recent growth of a ready-made alternative that already exists, <b>Connecticut CT Conn. </b>, <b>Viagra</b>, a decidedly pro-Israel movement that is willing to be critical of Israeli policies that perpetuate the occupation. I am referring to J Street, <b>acheter viagra</b>, <b>Viagra pharmacy</b>, Americans for Peace Now, Ameinu and other groups that are apparently not on Beinart's radar screen, <b>order viagra c.o.d.</b>.</p>
<p>In Israel, he notes, 'humane, universalistic Zionism does not wield power, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Ordering viagra pills</b>, To the contrary, it is gasping for air." But he hasn't noticed that it is very much alive in the American Jewish community, <b>West Virginia WV W.Va. </b>, <b>Rabatt kaufen viagra</b>, and there are organizations doing a good job of spreading the credo of this blog, i.e., <b>buy viagra no prescription</b>, <b>Ordering viagra no rx</b>, progressive and pro-Israel need not be an oxymoron.  To be sure, the organizations in this camp are still smaller than the groups in the Israel-right-or-wrong crowd. But the organized dovish camp is growing, and it is growing louder.  Beinart's smart essay correctly diagnoses the disease but desparately reaches for a cure among groups like the Presidents Conference and AIPAC, instead of identifying the real sources of hope and health in the American Jewish community.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Americans for Peace Now has posted an excellent summary of the situation in Jerusalem by <A HREF="http://peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=61&fld=620&docid=4657">Hagit Ofran</a> <b>Buy viagra</b>, , the head of Peace Now's Settlement Watch program. It has been on their web site for awhile but is worth repeating here in the land of realistic doves, <b>cheap viagra online legally</b>.  <b>Purchase viagra</b>, It is a scathing critique of the tenure of Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat, asserting that since his election in November 2008, <b>Virginia VA Va. </b>, <b>Vermont VT Vt. </b>, he has been "one of the most faithful allies the East Jerusalem settlers could have...The intensification of settlement activities in East Jerusalem threatens the chances of implementing the two-state solution and might create an irreversible situation that would prevent a compromise in Jerusalem."</p>
<p>Among the valuable tidbits are some responses to common arguments in defense of Israeli behavior in Jerusalem. These are the truths Eli Wiesel either doesn't know or wilfully ignores:</p>
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<p>The truth is it is practically impossible for Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to buy or build houses in West Jerusalem, <b>Iowa IA </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, Most of the lands in Israel are "state lands" and, according to the Israel Land Administration (ILA), <b>købe viagra</b>, <b>New Hampshire NH N.H. </b>, anyone who is not an Israeli citizen (or entitled to immigrate to Israel according to the Law of Return) must obtain a special ILA permit before they can buy or own state lands or apartments built on them (and such permits are issued only in most irregular cases).</p>
<p>• "We plan for Arabs too, not only for settlers."</p>
<p>One of the first issues that Barkat addressed was the promotion of "The King's Garden" plan for the construction of a Biblical park in the Bustan Neighborhood in Silwan, <b>buy viagra</b>.  It was to be built on the ruins of dozens of Palestinian houses that were to be demolished because they were built without permits, <b>cheapest viagra in the world</b>.  <b>Viagra cheap</b>, The plan attracted great international criticism.  Attempting to justify the vast demolitions, <b>ordering viagra</b>, <b>Halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Barkat promised he would promote a grand construction plan for Palestinians near the Bustan park.  At the same time, <b>buy cheap viagra</b>, <b>Viagra generic</b>, Barkat is trying to prevent the execution of an evacuation order issued against Jewish settlers who reside on Jonathan House in Silwan, while vowing again to promote a plan for the legalization of illegal Palestinian houses, <b>billige viagra apotek</b>, <b>Viagra without prescription</b>, including Jonathan House.  <b>Buy viagra</b>, The truth is that even if these plans survive the long and expensive planning process and become valid, there is very little chance for the Palestinians to actually realize them due to difficulties associated with land ownership and many other economic and planning problems.  Past experience shows that when the city attempts to build a settlement (in Ras al-Amud and earlier in Bet Orot in As-Sawane), <b>Louisiana LA </b>, <b>Farmacia viagra baratos</b>, it presents them as running parallel with plans for Arabs.  Eventually, <b>ordering viagra online without prescription</b>, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, in the said case, the Jewish plan was realized, <b>acheter viagra discount</b>, <b>Buy viagra online cheap</b>, but the Palestinian plan was not.</p>
<p>• "House demolitions in East Jerusalem are about law-enforcement and are part of our struggle against illegal construction."</p>
<p>The truth is that houses are built illegally in East Jerusalem as a direct result of the ongoing lack of plans for Palestinians and negligence of some one-third of the Jerusalem residents, <b>cheap viagra pills</b>, <b>Cheap viagra</b>, whon one cannot describe them all as "construction criminals".  Since 1967, <b>Michigan MI Mich. </b>, the government initiated the planning and construction of some 50,000 apartments for Jews in East Jerusalem, while less than 700 such units were initiated for the Palestinians (and only in the 1970's). </strong></blockquote></p>
<p>You can find more myths and facts in an April 27th piece by APN's <a HREF="http://peacenow.org/entries/top_10_barkat_myths">Lara Friedman</A>.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Dan Fleshler #1: Are you crazy. Why say anything positive about the <a HREF="http://blog.justpeacemideast.org/2010/03/18/uc-berkeley-students-union-votes-to-divest-from-corporations-involved-in-gaza-invasion/"> Berkeley Student Senate divestment resolution</A>, <b>Colorado CO Colo. </b>.  <b>Kjøp Discount viagra</b>, It’ll do you more harm than good.</p>
<p>Dan Fleshler #2: Sometimes one has to stand on one’s principles, <b>District of Columbia DC D.C. </b>.  <b>Discount viagra</b>, Dan #1: What difference would it make. Nobody reads your blog anymore, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.</p>
<p>Dan #2: There’s still a tiny following, <b>order viagra</b>.  <b>αγοράσετε viagra</b>, Some people seem to care. My posts get Retweeted, <b>cheap viagra no prescription</b>.  <b>Online viagra</b>, Dan #1: You’ll never get a job in the Jewish community again.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Dan #2: I can’t get a job in the community anyway.</p>
<p>Dan  #1: Even J Street U and the New Israel Fund joined with other groups and signed <a HREF="http://www.jstreet.org/blog/?p=944">a letter</A> opposing the resolution, <b>billige viagra Apotheke</b>.  <b>Cheap viagra without prescription</b>, You’ll be jeopardizing ties that are important to you.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I want to believe the tent is big enough, <b>viagra pills</b>.  <b>Kentucky KY Ky. </b>, I bet many people who participate in J Street’s political actions support this resolution, too, <b>buy viagra</b>. We can agree to disagree and still work together to support evenhanded American policy, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.  <b>Ordering viagra from canada</b>, Dan #1:  But you’ll be bolstering the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, <b>viagra ordine on-line</b>.  <b>Buy viagra without prescription</b>, They heap abuse on everything related to Israel. Doesn’t that bother you, <b>Kansas KS Kans. </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra no prescription</b>, Dan #2:  I have a problem with a lot of the BDSers because they don’t accept the premise of a Jewish state.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, And it’s wrong to boycott all Israeli institutions, including those that include critics of the occupation. But this resolution doesn’t target Israel as a whole, <b>cheap viagra online cheap</b>.  <b>Oklahoma OK Okla. </b>, It urges Berkeley to divest from two American companies “because of their military support of the occupation of the Palestinian territories.” And it urges the university to “examine its assets” to ensure it is not investing in companies that profit from the occupation.  Well, <b>viagra no prescription</b>, <b>Viagra online kaufen</b>, why not give it a try. Nothing else has stopped Israeli settlement expansion or the kind of behavior Israel exhibited in Gaza, <b>cheap viagra tablets</b>, <b>Viagra online kopen</b>, some of which was appalling.</p>
<p>Dan #1: But this resolution places all blame for the conflict on Israel, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. Its rhetoric could have demonstrated an understanding of the complexity of the situation, <b>bestill viagra online</b>, the fact that two sides have contributed mightily to this mess, but it did not do so. Israel is the only party that’s held accountable.</p>
<p>Dan #2: I would have written the resolution differently.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So why support a document if you’re not sure you agree with parts of it.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, This one also alleges that certain Israeli acts in Gaza were “war crimes.” Isn’t that inaccurate. Don’t you think the standard rules of war are inapplicable to many of the situations Israel faced, where combatants took shelter among civilians.</p>
<p>Dan #2 (pause for a deep deep breath): I am not sure if technically they were war crimes. But Israel put itself in a situation where a great many civilian casualties were inevitable. It didn’t have to make that choice.  The whole enterprise was meant to send the message: “Ba’al ha bayit hishtageyah (the master of the house has gone crazy).” Children were killed as a result, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. They didn’t have to die.</p>
<p>Dan #1:  It’s easy for you to say that from the comfort of your American armchair. In the real world, something had to be done to stop Hamas. C’mon.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Be honest with yourself. You’re just trying to win friends on the left. You want them to think you’re “progressive.”</p>
<p>Dan #2: Maybe. But they won’t like you, and you’re also Dan Fleshler.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So you’re not really taking a stand. You’re just posting both points of view. Isn’t that the coward’s way out.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I don’t see anyone else posting both points of view.  Ambivalent people deserve a voice, too.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In <a HREF="http://www.unityunitarian.org/documents/25may2008.pdf">The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House in Jerusalem</a>, he described an early version of the Middle East peace process industry:

<blockquote>The mediators, the peacemakers, the compromise-shapers,
the comforters
live in the white house
and get their nourishment from far away,
through winding pipes, through dark veins, like a fetus.

And their secretaries are lipsticked and laughing,
and their sturdy chauffeurs wait below, like horses in a stable,
and the trees that shade them have their roots in no-man’s land
and the illusions are children who went out to find cyclamen
in the field
and did not come back.

</blockquote>

After devoting more lines to sadly mocking this nest of illusionists, Amichai concludes:

<blockquote>And hopes come to me like bold seafarers,
like the discoverers of continents coming to an island,
and stay for a day or two
and rest…
And then they set sail.
</blockquote>

There has been an unrelenting barrage of gloomy pronouncements about the Israeli-Palestinian talks. All manner of pundits from the right, left and center have explained why the talks will amount to nothing and might even do more harm than good, why only fools and impractical dreamers would permit our bold seafarers, our hopes, to arrive and remain.

One of the most thorough and convincing critiques comes from <a HREF="http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=864">Donald Horowitz</A>, a scholar who doesn’t seem to have any ax to grind (HT: Tom Mitchell).  On the left, <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/netanyahu-reneges-on-freeze-rabbi-calls-for-plague-to-kill-all-palestinians-on-eve-of-obamas-peace-talks.html">Juan Cole</a> explains “how little Netanyahu is interested in real peace with the Palestinians” and offers compelling reasons to be scornful.  On the right, <a HREF="http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2010/08/pa-authority-incitement-to-kill-israelis-and-destroy-israel">Barry Rubin</a> is equally convincing when he explains how “Palestinian Authority incitement to kill Israelis and destroy Israel” is a “powerful subverter of chances for peace.” (Note that he is talking about the PA, not Hamas).</blockquote>



Just wander around the blogosphere for five minutes and you will find many more.

If you were expecting persuasive rebuttals, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don’t disagree with any of these arguments for gloom. <a HREF=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/want-that-israeli-palesti_b_701239.html>Daniel Levy</a> probably doesn’t disagree either, although he bravely shoulders the burden of showing why the talks might defy expectations and amount to something: 

<blockquote>(T)he main reason for hope rests with the potential that President Obama, having taken ownership of this issue, will pursue decisive leadership down the line. As a candidate, Barack Obama flirted with a definition of pro-Israel that was more sophisticated and more relevant to contemporary realities than the standard fare served up by pandering politicians (at a campaign stop with Jewish leadership in Cleveland, Ohio, he suggested that pro-Israel need not only be defined as pro-Likud. In insisting that a two-state solution and comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace is in the U.S. interest, President Obama is advancing a narrative that was adopted rather late in the day by his predecessor and that is very much the consensus of the U.S. military... 

…The seemingly plodding progress made by the Obama administration thus far can be more generously interpreted as the U.S. methodically walking the parties to a place where decisive U.S. intervention and presentation of U.S. proposals becomes more possible, more justifiable, and more likely to succeed. According to that view, this week represents another and particularly important step in that direction. American officials have openly acknowledged that bridging proposals might be forthcoming and are showing a greater commitment to being present in the room at negotiations than has been the case in past efforts. </blockquote>

That helps. At least it helps a little bit. But even if the PA and Israel astonishingly come to terms under American auspices, given the deep political divisions within both peoples, and given the profound gaps in their narratives, it is unlikely that either party would be able to implement an  agreement that would hold up in the near future.

If there is little hope for the short-term, though, that doesn’t mean the long-term prospects are entirely bleak.  Lately, the popular analogy of this mess to the one in Northern Ireland has been demolished by many different commentators, including Horowitz and Levy. They point out the many differences between the players and the circumstances of the two conflicts.   But they miss the most important point about the Republican-Unionist struggles, a more general and much much less complicated point: eventually, people in both communities just couldn’t take any more violence and turmoil. Eventually, the extremists on both sides decided that violence was counterproductive and gave up their maximalist demands.

Tom Mitchell is one of the few people around with a detailed knowledge of the nuances of both conflicts. In a message he sent to me that will eventually become part of a post, he wrote: “Peace in Northern Ireland came about only after the Republican Movement realized that a military victory was impossible and that there was a political cost to pay for the continued conflict.”

In a subsequent note, he gave one explanation of why the Republicans made that decision, a point that will make the left very uncomfortable: “British, and to a lesser extent Irish, intelligence did a very good job of infiltrating the IRA and INLA during the 1980s and early 1990s and thus were able to neutralize many IRA operations and imprison experienced terrorists.” 

For a host of reasons, somehow both sides eventually grew tired enough to put aside centuries of resentment and bitter memories and sectarian passions.  

There are any number of reasons why that kind of transformation probably won't happen in Israel and the territories. But no one should assert with smug certainty that it will NEVER happen. Nor should anyone try to predict how long it will take. People and nations do change, change utterly. Grand ideologies are discarded and others replace them (e.g., China got fed up with Maoism and embraced free enterprise). Assumptions are overturned. Bitter conflicts somehow end (think France and Germany). That is not a very sophisticated political analysis, but that doesn't make it less true. Right now, I confess it is the only reason for my bold seafarers to hang around.

So I will conclude with Yehuda Amichai, who, unsurprisingly, got it right decades ago. In “Sort of an Apocalypse,” he wrote:


<blockquote>And they’ll beat their swords into plowshares and plowshares into swords, 
And so on and so on, and back and forth. 
Perhaps from being beaten thinner and thinner 
the iron of hatred will vanish forever. </blockquote>
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In The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In <a HREF="http://www.unityunitarian.org/documents/25may2008.pdf">The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House in Jerusalem</a>, he described an early version of the Middle East peace process industry:

<blockquote>The mediators, the peacemakers, the compromise-shapers,
the comforters
live in the white house
and get their nourishment from far away,
through winding pipes, through dark veins, like a fetus.

And their secretaries are lipsticked and laughing,
and their sturdy chauffeurs wait below, like horses in a stable,
and the trees that shade them have their roots in no-man’s land
and the illusions are children who went out to find cyclamen
in the field
and did not come back.

</blockquote>

After devoting more lines to sadly mocking this nest of illusionists, Amichai concludes:

<blockquote>And hopes come to me like bold seafarers,
like the discoverers of continents coming to an island,
and stay for a day or two
and rest…
And then they set sail.
</blockquote>

There has been an unrelenting barrage of gloomy pronouncements about the Israeli-Palestinian talks. All manner of pundits from the right, left and center have explained why the talks will amount to nothing and might even do more harm than good, why only fools and impractical dreamers would permit our bold seafarers, our hopes, to arrive and remain.

One of the most thorough and convincing critiques comes from <a HREF="http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=864">Donald Horowitz</A>, a scholar who doesn’t seem to have any ax to grind (HT: Tom Mitchell).  On the left, <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/netanyahu-reneges-on-freeze-rabbi-calls-for-plague-to-kill-all-palestinians-on-eve-of-obamas-peace-talks.html">Juan Cole</a> explains “how little Netanyahu is interested in real peace with the Palestinians” and offers compelling reasons to be scornful.  On the right, <a HREF="http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2010/08/pa-authority-incitement-to-kill-israelis-and-destroy-israel">Barry Rubin</a> is equally convincing when he explains how “Palestinian Authority incitement to kill Israelis and destroy Israel” is a “powerful subverter of chances for peace.” (Note that he is talking about the PA, not Hamas).</blockquote>



Just wander around the blogosphere for five minutes and you will find many more.

If you were expecting persuasive rebuttals, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don’t disagree with any of these arguments for gloom. <a HREF=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/want-that-israeli-palesti_b_701239.html>Daniel Levy</a> probably doesn’t disagree either, although he bravely shoulders the burden of showing why the talks might defy expectations and amount to something: 

<blockquote>(T)he main reason for hope rests with the potential that President Obama, having taken ownership of this issue, will pursue decisive leadership down the line. As a candidate, Barack Obama flirted with a definition of pro-Israel that was more sophisticated and more relevant to contemporary realities than the standard fare served up by pandering politicians (at a campaign stop with Jewish leadership in Cleveland, Ohio, he suggested that pro-Israel need not only be defined as pro-Likud. In insisting that a two-state solution and comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace is in the U.S. interest, President Obama is advancing a narrative that was adopted rather late in the day by his predecessor and that is very much the consensus of the U.S. military... 

…The seemingly plodding progress made by the Obama administration thus far can be more generously interpreted as the U.S. methodically walking the parties to a place where decisive U.S. intervention and presentation of U.S. proposals becomes more possible, more justifiable, and more likely to succeed. According to that view, this week represents another and particularly important step in that direction. American officials have openly acknowledged that bridging proposals might be forthcoming and are showing a greater commitment to being present in the room at negotiations than has been the case in past efforts. </blockquote>

That helps. At least it helps a little bit. But even if the PA and Israel astonishingly come to terms under American auspices, given the deep political divisions within both peoples, and given the profound gaps in their narratives, it is unlikely that either party would be able to implement an  agreement that would hold up in the near future.

If there is little hope for the short-term, though, that doesn’t mean the long-term prospects are entirely bleak.  Lately, the popular analogy of this mess to the one in Northern Ireland has been demolished by many different commentators, including Horowitz and Levy. They point out the many differences between the players and the circumstances of the two conflicts.   But they miss the most important point about the Republican-Unionist struggles, a more general and much much less complicated point: eventually, people in both communities just couldn’t take any more violence and turmoil. Eventually, the extremists on both sides decided that violence was counterproductive and gave up their maximalist demands.

Tom Mitchell is one of the few people around with a detailed knowledge of the nuances of both conflicts. In a message he sent to me that will eventually become part of a post, he wrote: “Peace in Northern Ireland came about only after the Republican Movement realized that a military victory was impossible and that there was a political cost to pay for the continued conflict.”

In a subsequent note, he gave one explanation of why the Republicans made that decision, a point that will make the left very uncomfortable: “British, and to a lesser extent Irish, intelligence did a very good job of infiltrating the IRA and INLA during the 1980s and early 1990s and thus were able to neutralize many IRA operations and imprison experienced terrorists.” 

For a host of reasons, somehow both sides eventually grew tired enough to put aside centuries of resentment and bitter memories and sectarian passions.  

There are any number of reasons why that kind of transformation probably won't happen in Israel and the territories. But no one should assert with smug certainty that it will NEVER happen. Nor should anyone try to predict how long it will take. People and nations do change, change utterly. Grand ideologies are discarded and others replace them (e.g., China got fed up with Maoism and embraced free enterprise). Assumptions are overturned. Bitter conflicts somehow end (think France and Germany). That is not a very sophisticated political analysis, but that doesn't make it less true. Right now, I confess it is the only reason for my bold seafarers to hang around.

So I will conclude with Yehuda Amichai, who, unsurprisingly, got it right decades ago. In “Sort of an Apocalypse,” he wrote:


<blockquote>And they’ll beat their swords into plowshares and plowshares into swords, 
And so on and so on, and back and forth. 
Perhaps from being beaten thinner and thinner 
the iron of hatred will vanish forever. </blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a  Pew Research Center poll. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a <a HREF=”http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1781”> Pew Research Center poll</A>. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But <a HREF=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/opinion/21blow.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=charles%20m%20blow&st=cse”>Charles M. Blow’s</A> take on the poll in the New York Times is even more troubling, because it bolsters the canard that American Jews are single-issue voters who judge politicians mainly on the basis of their positions on Israel.  Commenting on Pew’s results, Blow asserts, “This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration’s having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel while `taking special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.’”

Blow devotes much of the article to describing the Obama administration’s rocky relationship with Israel and the extent to which this troubles the Jewish community. 

But he does not even mention the possibility that many Jewish voters are troubled by Obama and the Dems for the same reasons that other voters are troubled: the sorry state of the economy, concerns about the health care initiative, a general feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. And he offers no evidence whatsoever that Obama's dealings with Israel are more important to these voters than domestic matters. 
 
On the contrary, any number of surveys show that Israel-related matters are a relatively low priority for most American Jewish voters. When pollsters from <A HREF=”http://marchpoll.s3.amazonaws.com/J%20Street%20Survey%20March%202010%20Final%20Results.pdf”>Gerstein Agne</A> asked American Jews in March to choose the top two issues they will use to decide their 2010 Congressional votes, Israel ranked 7th. It was deemed to be less important than the economy, health care, the deficit and government spending, Social Security and Medicare, and terrorism and national security. Israel was given the same ranking as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 10% of the respondents chose Israel as one of their top two issues.

Similarly, while Israel’s fate is certainly a concern for most American Jews, an <a HREF=”http://www.forward.com/articles/12257/”>American Jewish Committee poll</a> in November, 2007 revealed that it is an obsession for a tiny minority of Jewish voters:

When asked to pick their most important campaign issue from a list of options, 23% of those surveyed named the economy and jobs, followed by health care (19%), the war in Iraq (16%), terrorism and national security (14%), support for Israel (6%), immigration (6%) and the energy crisis (6%).

Does Israel matter to the American Jews who have jumped ship and joined the Republicans in recent months? Most likely. But nowhere in the results of the Pew poll or any previous survey is there an indication that issues connected to Israel are the most important factors in determining American Jews’ political affiliations. 

As I’ve noted <a HREF=”http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/191”>elsewhere</a> on this blog, “Israel is one of the things Americans Jews care about and worry about, but when it is time to exercise our civic responsibilities, what happens here at home is what matters most to us.”



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<p>Study a <a HREF="http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp">list </a> of those attacks and focus on 2001-2003, and it is easy to understand why the  intifada demolished much of the Israeli peace camp, <b>generic viagra</b>.  It was not just the major, <b>Order viagra from canada</b>, storied bombings like those directed at a banquet hall in Netanya, buses and cafes in Jerusalem, the Hebrew University cafeteria, <b>Connecticut CT Conn. </b>, malls and a disco in Tel Aviv.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, There was also a host of attacks, a constant barrage of them, that barely made the news here: in one 5-month period in 2002, <b>buy viagra online without prescription</b>, there were bombings of a bus in Hadera, <b>Acheter viagra bon marché</b>, a bus at the Meron Junction, a bus in French Hill in Jerusalem, the central bus station in Tel Aviv, <b>billige viagra Apotheke</b>, a bus near Afula.  <b>Viagra ordine on-line</b>, There are many reasons for the perpetuation of the occupation, some of them inexcuseable, such as the persistent grip of Jewish settlers on Israel's political system, <b>order viagra online without prescription</b>.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, But one of them is the legitimate Israeli worry that no one will exert control over extremist groups that see nothing wrong with blowing up Israeli women and children. To Weiss and the rest of the unremittingly anti-Israel left, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, when Palestinian terrorism is mentioned at all, it is explained away as understandable resistance to the occupation. In <a HREF=”http://mondoweiss.net/?s=western+demonology”>one blog post</A>, <b>halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Weiss mocks “the centrality of the Palestinian suicide bomber in Western demonology.”  Mostly, <b>Idaho ID </b>, he and his fans ignore what happened to Israelis in the second intifada or the rockets hitting Sderot. I don't meant to imply that they are always wrong when they deplore Israel for over-reacting to Palestinian provocations. But they are wrong to discount the reasons for the reaction, <b>buy generic viagra</b>.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that Palestinians have suffered more than Israelis because of this conflict, <b>viagra over the counter</b>. There is an asymmetry of grief as well as an asymmetry of power.  <b>αγοράσετε viagra</b>, The occupation is immoral as well as illegal. Many more Palestinians than Israelis were killed during the intifada. But the fact remains that about 1, <b>viagra farmacia a buon mercato</b>,000 Israelis died and many more were seriously injured.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, That didn’t happen very long ago. Remembering those Israeli deaths and injuries, and being worried about more deaths and injuries, is not a symptom of psychosis. It is a rational response.</p>
<p>I believe Philip Weiss is making a good faith effort to understand Israelis and their followers in the U.S. He is correct in saying that the "fearful" have too much power, at least in the American Jewish community. But he should understand that there are widows, widowers, orphans, maimed victims and justifiable fears on both sides of the conflict.</p>
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<p>“I’m afraid the Consulate will need to get someone else.  <b>South Carolina SC S.C. </b>, I’m calling to tell you I can’t help anymore. I’m too upset…”</p>
<p>“But the facts are on our side, <b>order viagra</b>. Didn’t you see the IDF video we just released. It’s great, <b>cheap viagra from canada</b>. It proves that our soldiers were attacked when they descended from the helicopters.  <b>Buy viagra online</b>, So Israel had every right to…”</p>
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<p>“He wants to know why I keep automatically defending your country every time it gets accused of something. He says I look for the facts that help me come to Israel’s defense and ignore all of the other facts, <b>Om viagra online</b>.  He accuses me of not wanting to offend everyone else in the JCRC by being a non-conformist and thinking for myself.”</p>
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<p>“Has he been to Israel. Does he understand how complex the situation is?”</p>
<p>“Sure he’s been there. This summer, he went to Bi’lin, on the West Bank, and he saw how the security barrier cut that village in half. So he joined the protestors. I told him that was a mistake…But I didn’t really believe what I was saying, <b>order viagra</b>. Now he’s considering joining the boycotters when he gets back to school. You’ve lost him. But I don’t want to lose him. Forget it.  <b>Order viagra</b>, Enough is enough. The respect of my kid is more important to me than helping your country!”</p>
<p>“Look, if you’re concerned about him, why not tell him he doesn’t need to leave the fold.  There are liberal Zionists against the occupation. He can still find a home in the pro-Israel community."</p>
<p>“You mean an official of the Israeli government is recommending that someone join J Street, or Americans for Peace Now, or Ameinu. Does the Foreign Ministry know about this?”</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[ The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by Peter Beinart Buy cheap viagra online, in the New York Review of Books.  Köpa viagra online, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by <a HREF="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/?pagination=false">Peter Beinart</A> <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, in the New York Review of Books.  <b>Köpa viagra online</b>, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern for Palestinian dignity."</p>
<p>But for all of its many good points, <b>Osta viagra online</b>, <b>Pharmacy viagra</b>, his essay betrays a surprising ignorance of  American Jewish organizational life.  Like me, <b>Maryland MD Md. </b>, <b>Viagra prescription</b>, he wants more American Jews who identify with Israel to publicly distance themselves from the occupation and Israeli policies they find abhorrent. But he apparently believes that traditional American Jews groups and their leaders have the capacity to completely change their stripes and do what he recommends, <b>ordering viagra overnight delivery</b>.  According to Beinart:</p>
<p><blockquote><strong><em>The heads of AIPAC and the Presidents’ Conference should ask themselves what Israel’s leaders would have to do or say to make them scream “no.” After all, Lieberman is foreign minister; Effi Eitam  [a Netanyahu appointee who has openly recommended ethnic cleansing] is touring American universities; settlements are growing at triple the rate of the Israeli population; half of Israeli Jewish high school students want Arabs barred from the Knesset, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Utah UT </b>, If the line has not yet been crossed, where is the line, <b>goedkope viagra apotheek</b>.  <b>Delaware DE Del. </b>, </strong></em></blockquote></p>
<p>There is no line and there never will be.  Asking AIPAC and the most powerful players in the Presidents' Conference to publicly criticize Israeli policy is like asking a dog to play poker, <b>order viagra cod</b>.  <b>Idaho ID </b>, Beinart is urging a violation of the laws of nature, of organizational DNA, <b>Missouri MO Mo. </b>.  <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, AIPAC and the leaders of the Presidents Conference are--and probably always will be--guided by the credo that differences with Israel can be voiced behind closed doors but never in the open air.  <b>Order viagra online</b>, Beinart concludes his essay by urging "American Jewish organizations" to bring to Hillel some of the young Israelis who are regularly protesting the expropriation of Arab housing in Sheikh Jarrah, in East Jerusalem, <b>comprar en línea viagra</b>.  <b>Viagra sale</b>, "What if this was the face of Zionism shown to America's young?" That is a lovely idea but it is mystifying that he somehow expects the hidebound Jewish establishment to make it real.</p>
<p>He ignores the recent growth of a ready-made alternative that already exists, <b>Connecticut CT Conn. </b>, <b>Viagra</b>, a decidedly pro-Israel movement that is willing to be critical of Israeli policies that perpetuate the occupation. I am referring to J Street, <b>acheter viagra</b>, <b>Viagra pharmacy</b>, Americans for Peace Now, Ameinu and other groups that are apparently not on Beinart's radar screen, <b>order viagra c.o.d.</b>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Americans for Peace Now has posted an excellent summary of the situation in Jerusalem by Hagit Ofran Buy viagra, , the head of Peace Now's Settlement Watch program. It has been on their web site for awhile but is worth repeating here in the land of realistic doves, cheap viagra online legally.  Purchase [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Americans for Peace Now has posted an excellent summary of the situation in Jerusalem by <A HREF="http://peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=61&fld=620&docid=4657">Hagit Ofran</a> <b>Buy viagra</b>, , the head of Peace Now's Settlement Watch program. It has been on their web site for awhile but is worth repeating here in the land of realistic doves, <b>cheap viagra online legally</b>.  <b>Purchase viagra</b>, It is a scathing critique of the tenure of Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat, asserting that since his election in November 2008, <b>Virginia VA Va. </b>, <b>Vermont VT Vt. </b>, he has been "one of the most faithful allies the East Jerusalem settlers could have...The intensification of settlement activities in East Jerusalem threatens the chances of implementing the two-state solution and might create an irreversible situation that would prevent a compromise in Jerusalem."</p>
<p>Among the valuable tidbits are some responses to common arguments in defense of Israeli behavior in Jerusalem. These are the truths Eli Wiesel either doesn't know or wilfully ignores:</p>
<p><blockquote><strong></p>
<p>• "Jews may build in East Jerusalem just as Arabs may build in West Jerusalem."</p>
<p>The truth is it is practically impossible for Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to buy or build houses in West Jerusalem, <b>Iowa IA </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, Most of the lands in Israel are "state lands" and, according to the Israel Land Administration (ILA), <b>købe viagra</b>, <b>New Hampshire NH N.H. </b>, anyone who is not an Israeli citizen (or entitled to immigrate to Israel according to the Law of Return) must obtain a special ILA permit before they can buy or own state lands or apartments built on them (and such permits are issued only in most irregular cases).</p>
<p>• "We plan for Arabs too, not only for settlers."</p>
<p>One of the first issues that Barkat addressed was the promotion of "The King's Garden" plan for the construction of a Biblical park in the Bustan Neighborhood in Silwan, <b>buy viagra</b>.  It was to be built on the ruins of dozens of Palestinian houses that were to be demolished because they were built without permits, <b>cheapest viagra in the world</b>.  <b>Viagra cheap</b>, The plan attracted great international criticism.  Attempting to justify the vast demolitions, <b>ordering viagra</b>, <b>Halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Barkat promised he would promote a grand construction plan for Palestinians near the Bustan park.  At the same time, <b>buy cheap viagra</b>, <b>Viagra generic</b>, Barkat is trying to prevent the execution of an evacuation order issued against Jewish settlers who reside on Jonathan House in Silwan, while vowing again to promote a plan for the legalization of illegal Palestinian houses, <b>billige viagra apotek</b>, <b>Viagra without prescription</b>, including Jonathan House.  <b>Buy viagra</b>, The truth is that even if these plans survive the long and expensive planning process and become valid, there is very little chance for the Palestinians to actually realize them due to difficulties associated with land ownership and many other economic and planning problems.  Past experience shows that when the city attempts to build a settlement (in Ras al-Amud and earlier in Bet Orot in As-Sawane), <b>Louisiana LA </b>, <b>Farmacia viagra baratos</b>, it presents them as running parallel with plans for Arabs.  Eventually, <b>ordering viagra online without prescription</b>, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, in the said case, the Jewish plan was realized, <b>acheter viagra discount</b>, <b>Buy viagra online cheap</b>, but the Palestinian plan was not.</p>
<p>• "House demolitions in East Jerusalem are about law-enforcement and are part of our struggle against illegal construction."</p>
<p>The truth is that houses are built illegally in East Jerusalem as a direct result of the ongoing lack of plans for Palestinians and negligence of some one-third of the Jerusalem residents, <b>cheap viagra pills</b>, <b>Cheap viagra</b>, whon one cannot describe them all as "construction criminals".  Since 1967, <b>Michigan MI Mich. </b>, the government initiated the planning and construction of some 50,000 apartments for Jews in East Jerusalem, while less than 700 such units were initiated for the Palestinians (and only in the 1970's). </strong></blockquote></p>
<p>You can find more myths and facts in an April 27th piece by APN's <a HREF="http://peacenow.org/entries/top_10_barkat_myths">Lara Friedman</A>.</p>
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<p>Dan Fleshler #2: Sometimes one has to stand on one’s principles, <b>District of Columbia DC D.C. </b>.  <b>Discount viagra</b>, Dan #1: What difference would it make. Nobody reads your blog anymore, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.</p>
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<p>Dan #2:  I want to believe the tent is big enough, <b>viagra pills</b>.  <b>Kentucky KY Ky. </b>, I bet many people who participate in J Street’s political actions support this resolution, too, <b>buy viagra</b>. We can agree to disagree and still work together to support evenhanded American policy, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.  <b>Ordering viagra from canada</b>, Dan #1:  But you’ll be bolstering the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, <b>viagra ordine on-line</b>.  <b>Buy viagra without prescription</b>, They heap abuse on everything related to Israel. Doesn’t that bother you, <b>Kansas KS Kans. </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra no prescription</b>, Dan #2:  I have a problem with a lot of the BDSers because they don’t accept the premise of a Jewish state.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, And it’s wrong to boycott all Israeli institutions, including those that include critics of the occupation. But this resolution doesn’t target Israel as a whole, <b>cheap viagra online cheap</b>.  <b>Oklahoma OK Okla. </b>, It urges Berkeley to divest from two American companies “because of their military support of the occupation of the Palestinian territories.” And it urges the university to “examine its assets” to ensure it is not investing in companies that profit from the occupation.  Well, <b>viagra no prescription</b>, <b>Viagra online kaufen</b>, why not give it a try. Nothing else has stopped Israeli settlement expansion or the kind of behavior Israel exhibited in Gaza, <b>cheap viagra tablets</b>, <b>Viagra online kopen</b>, some of which was appalling.</p>
<p>Dan #1: But this resolution places all blame for the conflict on Israel, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. Its rhetoric could have demonstrated an understanding of the complexity of the situation, <b>bestill viagra online</b>, the fact that two sides have contributed mightily to this mess, but it did not do so. Israel is the only party that’s held accountable.</p>
<p>Dan #2: I would have written the resolution differently.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So why support a document if you’re not sure you agree with parts of it.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, This one also alleges that certain Israeli acts in Gaza were “war crimes.” Isn’t that inaccurate. Don’t you think the standard rules of war are inapplicable to many of the situations Israel faced, where combatants took shelter among civilians.</p>
<p>Dan #2 (pause for a deep deep breath): I am not sure if technically they were war crimes. But Israel put itself in a situation where a great many civilian casualties were inevitable. It didn’t have to make that choice.  The whole enterprise was meant to send the message: “Ba’al ha bayit hishtageyah (the master of the house has gone crazy).” Children were killed as a result, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. They didn’t have to die.</p>
<p>Dan #1:  It’s easy for you to say that from the comfort of your American armchair. In the real world, something had to be done to stop Hamas. C’mon.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Be honest with yourself. You’re just trying to win friends on the left. You want them to think you’re “progressive.”</p>
<p>Dan #2: Maybe. But they won’t like you, and you’re also Dan Fleshler.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So you’re not really taking a stand. You’re just posting both points of view. Isn’t that the coward’s way out.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a <a HREF=”http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1781”> Pew Research Center poll</A>. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But <a HREF=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/opinion/21blow.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=charles%20m%20blow&st=cse”>Charles M. Blow’s</A> take on the poll in the New York Times is even more troubling, because it bolsters the canard that American Jews are single-issue voters who judge politicians mainly on the basis of their positions on Israel.  Commenting on Pew’s results, Blow asserts, “This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration’s having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel while `taking special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.’”

Blow devotes much of the article to describing the Obama administration’s rocky relationship with Israel and the extent to which this troubles the Jewish community. 

But he does not even mention the possibility that many Jewish voters are troubled by Obama and the Dems for the same reasons that other voters are troubled: the sorry state of the economy, concerns about the health care initiative, a general feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. And he offers no evidence whatsoever that Obama's dealings with Israel are more important to these voters than domestic matters. 
 
On the contrary, any number of surveys show that Israel-related matters are a relatively low priority for most American Jewish voters. When pollsters from <A HREF=”http://marchpoll.s3.amazonaws.com/J%20Street%20Survey%20March%202010%20Final%20Results.pdf”>Gerstein Agne</A> asked American Jews in March to choose the top two issues they will use to decide their 2010 Congressional votes, Israel ranked 7th. It was deemed to be less important than the economy, health care, the deficit and government spending, Social Security and Medicare, and terrorism and national security. Israel was given the same ranking as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 10% of the respondents chose Israel as one of their top two issues.

Similarly, while Israel’s fate is certainly a concern for most American Jews, an <a HREF=”http://www.forward.com/articles/12257/”>American Jewish Committee poll</a> in November, 2007 revealed that it is an obsession for a tiny minority of Jewish voters:

When asked to pick their most important campaign issue from a list of options, 23% of those surveyed named the economy and jobs, followed by health care (19%), the war in Iraq (16%), terrorism and national security (14%), support for Israel (6%), immigration (6%) and the energy crisis (6%).

Does Israel matter to the American Jews who have jumped ship and joined the Republicans in recent months? Most likely. But nowhere in the results of the Pew poll or any previous survey is there an indication that issues connected to Israel are the most important factors in determining American Jews’ political affiliations. 

As I’ve noted <a HREF=”http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/191”>elsewhere</a> on this blog, “Israel is one of the things Americans Jews care about and worry about, but when it is time to exercise our civic responsibilities, what happens here at home is what matters most to us.”



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		<description><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In <a HREF="http://www.unityunitarian.org/documents/25may2008.pdf">The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House in Jerusalem</a>, he described an early version of the Middle East peace process industry:

<blockquote>The mediators, the peacemakers, the compromise-shapers,
the comforters
live in the white house
and get their nourishment from far away,
through winding pipes, through dark veins, like a fetus.

And their secretaries are lipsticked and laughing,
and their sturdy chauffeurs wait below, like horses in a stable,
and the trees that shade them have their roots in no-man’s land
and the illusions are children who went out to find cyclamen
in the field
and did not come back.

</blockquote>

After devoting more lines to sadly mocking this nest of illusionists, Amichai concludes:

<blockquote>And hopes come to me like bold seafarers,
like the discoverers of continents coming to an island,
and stay for a day or two
and rest…
And then they set sail.
</blockquote>

There has been an unrelenting barrage of gloomy pronouncements about the Israeli-Palestinian talks. All manner of pundits from the right, left and center have explained why the talks will amount to nothing and might even do more harm than good, why only fools and impractical dreamers would permit our bold seafarers, our hopes, to arrive and remain.

One of the most thorough and convincing critiques comes from <a HREF="http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=864">Donald Horowitz</A>, a scholar who doesn’t seem to have any ax to grind (HT: Tom Mitchell).  On the left, <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/netanyahu-reneges-on-freeze-rabbi-calls-for-plague-to-kill-all-palestinians-on-eve-of-obamas-peace-talks.html">Juan Cole</a> explains “how little Netanyahu is interested in real peace with the Palestinians” and offers compelling reasons to be scornful.  On the right, <a HREF="http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2010/08/pa-authority-incitement-to-kill-israelis-and-destroy-israel">Barry Rubin</a> is equally convincing when he explains how “Palestinian Authority incitement to kill Israelis and destroy Israel” is a “powerful subverter of chances for peace.” (Note that he is talking about the PA, not Hamas).</blockquote>



Just wander around the blogosphere for five minutes and you will find many more.

If you were expecting persuasive rebuttals, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don’t disagree with any of these arguments for gloom. <a HREF=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/want-that-israeli-palesti_b_701239.html>Daniel Levy</a> probably doesn’t disagree either, although he bravely shoulders the burden of showing why the talks might defy expectations and amount to something: 

<blockquote>(T)he main reason for hope rests with the potential that President Obama, having taken ownership of this issue, will pursue decisive leadership down the line. As a candidate, Barack Obama flirted with a definition of pro-Israel that was more sophisticated and more relevant to contemporary realities than the standard fare served up by pandering politicians (at a campaign stop with Jewish leadership in Cleveland, Ohio, he suggested that pro-Israel need not only be defined as pro-Likud. In insisting that a two-state solution and comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace is in the U.S. interest, President Obama is advancing a narrative that was adopted rather late in the day by his predecessor and that is very much the consensus of the U.S. military... 

…The seemingly plodding progress made by the Obama administration thus far can be more generously interpreted as the U.S. methodically walking the parties to a place where decisive U.S. intervention and presentation of U.S. proposals becomes more possible, more justifiable, and more likely to succeed. According to that view, this week represents another and particularly important step in that direction. American officials have openly acknowledged that bridging proposals might be forthcoming and are showing a greater commitment to being present in the room at negotiations than has been the case in past efforts. </blockquote>

That helps. At least it helps a little bit. But even if the PA and Israel astonishingly come to terms under American auspices, given the deep political divisions within both peoples, and given the profound gaps in their narratives, it is unlikely that either party would be able to implement an  agreement that would hold up in the near future.

If there is little hope for the short-term, though, that doesn’t mean the long-term prospects are entirely bleak.  Lately, the popular analogy of this mess to the one in Northern Ireland has been demolished by many different commentators, including Horowitz and Levy. They point out the many differences between the players and the circumstances of the two conflicts.   But they miss the most important point about the Republican-Unionist struggles, a more general and much much less complicated point: eventually, people in both communities just couldn’t take any more violence and turmoil. Eventually, the extremists on both sides decided that violence was counterproductive and gave up their maximalist demands.

Tom Mitchell is one of the few people around with a detailed knowledge of the nuances of both conflicts. In a message he sent to me that will eventually become part of a post, he wrote: “Peace in Northern Ireland came about only after the Republican Movement realized that a military victory was impossible and that there was a political cost to pay for the continued conflict.”

In a subsequent note, he gave one explanation of why the Republicans made that decision, a point that will make the left very uncomfortable: “British, and to a lesser extent Irish, intelligence did a very good job of infiltrating the IRA and INLA during the 1980s and early 1990s and thus were able to neutralize many IRA operations and imprison experienced terrorists.” 

For a host of reasons, somehow both sides eventually grew tired enough to put aside centuries of resentment and bitter memories and sectarian passions.  

There are any number of reasons why that kind of transformation probably won't happen in Israel and the territories. But no one should assert with smug certainty that it will NEVER happen. Nor should anyone try to predict how long it will take. People and nations do change, change utterly. Grand ideologies are discarded and others replace them (e.g., China got fed up with Maoism and embraced free enterprise). Assumptions are overturned. Bitter conflicts somehow end (think France and Germany). That is not a very sophisticated political analysis, but that doesn't make it less true. Right now, I confess it is the only reason for my bold seafarers to hang around.

So I will conclude with Yehuda Amichai, who, unsurprisingly, got it right decades ago. In “Sort of an Apocalypse,” he wrote:


<blockquote>And they’ll beat their swords into plowshares and plowshares into swords, 
And so on and so on, and back and forth. 
Perhaps from being beaten thinner and thinner 
the iron of hatred will vanish forever. </blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a  Pew Research Center poll. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a <a HREF=”http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1781”> Pew Research Center poll</A>. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But <a HREF=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/opinion/21blow.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=charles%20m%20blow&st=cse”>Charles M. Blow’s</A> take on the poll in the New York Times is even more troubling, because it bolsters the canard that American Jews are single-issue voters who judge politicians mainly on the basis of their positions on Israel.  Commenting on Pew’s results, Blow asserts, “This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration’s having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel while `taking special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.’”

Blow devotes much of the article to describing the Obama administration’s rocky relationship with Israel and the extent to which this troubles the Jewish community. 

But he does not even mention the possibility that many Jewish voters are troubled by Obama and the Dems for the same reasons that other voters are troubled: the sorry state of the economy, concerns about the health care initiative, a general feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. And he offers no evidence whatsoever that Obama's dealings with Israel are more important to these voters than domestic matters. 
 
On the contrary, any number of surveys show that Israel-related matters are a relatively low priority for most American Jewish voters. When pollsters from <A HREF=”http://marchpoll.s3.amazonaws.com/J%20Street%20Survey%20March%202010%20Final%20Results.pdf”>Gerstein Agne</A> asked American Jews in March to choose the top two issues they will use to decide their 2010 Congressional votes, Israel ranked 7th. It was deemed to be less important than the economy, health care, the deficit and government spending, Social Security and Medicare, and terrorism and national security. Israel was given the same ranking as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 10% of the respondents chose Israel as one of their top two issues.

Similarly, while Israel’s fate is certainly a concern for most American Jews, an <a HREF=”http://www.forward.com/articles/12257/”>American Jewish Committee poll</a> in November, 2007 revealed that it is an obsession for a tiny minority of Jewish voters:

When asked to pick their most important campaign issue from a list of options, 23% of those surveyed named the economy and jobs, followed by health care (19%), the war in Iraq (16%), terrorism and national security (14%), support for Israel (6%), immigration (6%) and the energy crisis (6%).

Does Israel matter to the American Jews who have jumped ship and joined the Republicans in recent months? Most likely. But nowhere in the results of the Pew poll or any previous survey is there an indication that issues connected to Israel are the most important factors in determining American Jews’ political affiliations. 

As I’ve noted <a HREF=”http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/191”>elsewhere</a> on this blog, “Israel is one of the things Americans Jews care about and worry about, but when it is time to exercise our civic responsibilities, what happens here at home is what matters most to us.”



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		<description><![CDATA[ Viagra over the counter, In a recent post, the increasingly influential Philip Weiss tells of a Gaza psychiatrist who pleads with his visitors to "reach out and heal" Israelis because they are "gripped by fear." Weiss accepts the challenge. After saying Israelis have a “psychosis” because of their fears, he asserts:
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<p>Study a <a HREF="http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp">list </a> of those attacks and focus on 2001-2003, and it is easy to understand why the  intifada demolished much of the Israeli peace camp, <b>generic viagra</b>.  It was not just the major, <b>Order viagra from canada</b>, storied bombings like those directed at a banquet hall in Netanya, buses and cafes in Jerusalem, the Hebrew University cafeteria, <b>Connecticut CT Conn. </b>, malls and a disco in Tel Aviv.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, There was also a host of attacks, a constant barrage of them, that barely made the news here: in one 5-month period in 2002, <b>buy viagra online without prescription</b>, there were bombings of a bus in Hadera, <b>Acheter viagra bon marché</b>, a bus at the Meron Junction, a bus in French Hill in Jerusalem, the central bus station in Tel Aviv, <b>billige viagra Apotheke</b>, a bus near Afula.  <b>Viagra ordine on-line</b>, There are many reasons for the perpetuation of the occupation, some of them inexcuseable, such as the persistent grip of Jewish settlers on Israel's political system, <b>order viagra online without prescription</b>.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, But one of them is the legitimate Israeli worry that no one will exert control over extremist groups that see nothing wrong with blowing up Israeli women and children. To Weiss and the rest of the unremittingly anti-Israel left, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, when Palestinian terrorism is mentioned at all, it is explained away as understandable resistance to the occupation. In <a HREF=”http://mondoweiss.net/?s=western+demonology”>one blog post</A>, <b>halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Weiss mocks “the centrality of the Palestinian suicide bomber in Western demonology.”  Mostly, <b>Idaho ID </b>, he and his fans ignore what happened to Israelis in the second intifada or the rockets hitting Sderot. I don't meant to imply that they are always wrong when they deplore Israel for over-reacting to Palestinian provocations. But they are wrong to discount the reasons for the reaction, <b>buy generic viagra</b>.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that Palestinians have suffered more than Israelis because of this conflict, <b>viagra over the counter</b>. There is an asymmetry of grief as well as an asymmetry of power.  <b>αγοράσετε viagra</b>, The occupation is immoral as well as illegal. Many more Palestinians than Israelis were killed during the intifada. But the fact remains that about 1, <b>viagra farmacia a buon mercato</b>,000 Israelis died and many more were seriously injured.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, That didn’t happen very long ago. Remembering those Israeli deaths and injuries, and being worried about more deaths and injuries, is not a symptom of psychosis. It is a rational response.</p>
<p>I believe Philip Weiss is making a good faith effort to understand Israelis and their followers in the U.S. He is correct in saying that the "fearful" have too much power, at least in the American Jewish community. But he should understand that there are widows, widowers, orphans, maimed victims and justifiable fears on both sides of the conflict.</p>
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<p>(Long, <b>Köpa rabatterade viagra</b>, long pause).  <b>Order viagra</b>, “Si, could we get back to the original topic. Your son should know that the volunteers on that ship were pro-Hamas activists. They were armed with clubs and knives because they wanted a confrontation, <b>Kaufen viagra</b>. That was their choice, <b>Buy viagra no rx</b>, not ours.”</p>
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<p>“Has he been to Israel. Does he understand how complex the situation is?”</p>
<p>“Sure he’s been there. This summer, he went to Bi’lin, on the West Bank, and he saw how the security barrier cut that village in half. So he joined the protestors. I told him that was a mistake…But I didn’t really believe what I was saying, <b>order viagra</b>. Now he’s considering joining the boycotters when he gets back to school. You’ve lost him. But I don’t want to lose him. Forget it.  <b>Order viagra</b>, Enough is enough. The respect of my kid is more important to me than helping your country!”</p>
<p>“Look, if you’re concerned about him, why not tell him he doesn’t need to leave the fold.  There are liberal Zionists against the occupation. He can still find a home in the pro-Israel community."</p>
<p>“You mean an official of the Israeli government is recommending that someone join J Street, or Americans for Peace Now, or Ameinu. Does the Foreign Ministry know about this?”</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by <a HREF="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/?pagination=false">Peter Beinart</A> <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, in the New York Review of Books.  <b>Köpa viagra online</b>, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern for Palestinian dignity."</p>
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<p><blockquote><strong><em>The heads of AIPAC and the Presidents’ Conference should ask themselves what Israel’s leaders would have to do or say to make them scream “no.” After all, Lieberman is foreign minister; Effi Eitam  [a Netanyahu appointee who has openly recommended ethnic cleansing] is touring American universities; settlements are growing at triple the rate of the Israeli population; half of Israeli Jewish high school students want Arabs barred from the Knesset, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Utah UT </b>, If the line has not yet been crossed, where is the line, <b>goedkope viagra apotheek</b>.  <b>Delaware DE Del. </b>, </strong></em></blockquote></p>
<p>There is no line and there never will be.  Asking AIPAC and the most powerful players in the Presidents' Conference to publicly criticize Israeli policy is like asking a dog to play poker, <b>order viagra cod</b>.  <b>Idaho ID </b>, Beinart is urging a violation of the laws of nature, of organizational DNA, <b>Missouri MO Mo. </b>.  <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, AIPAC and the leaders of the Presidents Conference are--and probably always will be--guided by the credo that differences with Israel can be voiced behind closed doors but never in the open air.  <b>Order viagra online</b>, Beinart concludes his essay by urging "American Jewish organizations" to bring to Hillel some of the young Israelis who are regularly protesting the expropriation of Arab housing in Sheikh Jarrah, in East Jerusalem, <b>comprar en línea viagra</b>.  <b>Viagra sale</b>, "What if this was the face of Zionism shown to America's young?" That is a lovely idea but it is mystifying that he somehow expects the hidebound Jewish establishment to make it real.</p>
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<p>Among the valuable tidbits are some responses to common arguments in defense of Israeli behavior in Jerusalem. These are the truths Eli Wiesel either doesn't know or wilfully ignores:</p>
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<p>• "Jews may build in East Jerusalem just as Arabs may build in West Jerusalem."</p>
<p>The truth is it is practically impossible for Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to buy or build houses in West Jerusalem, <b>Iowa IA </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, Most of the lands in Israel are "state lands" and, according to the Israel Land Administration (ILA), <b>købe viagra</b>, <b>New Hampshire NH N.H. </b>, anyone who is not an Israeli citizen (or entitled to immigrate to Israel according to the Law of Return) must obtain a special ILA permit before they can buy or own state lands or apartments built on them (and such permits are issued only in most irregular cases).</p>
<p>• "We plan for Arabs too, not only for settlers."</p>
<p>One of the first issues that Barkat addressed was the promotion of "The King's Garden" plan for the construction of a Biblical park in the Bustan Neighborhood in Silwan, <b>buy viagra</b>.  It was to be built on the ruins of dozens of Palestinian houses that were to be demolished because they were built without permits, <b>cheapest viagra in the world</b>.  <b>Viagra cheap</b>, The plan attracted great international criticism.  Attempting to justify the vast demolitions, <b>ordering viagra</b>, <b>Halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Barkat promised he would promote a grand construction plan for Palestinians near the Bustan park.  At the same time, <b>buy cheap viagra</b>, <b>Viagra generic</b>, Barkat is trying to prevent the execution of an evacuation order issued against Jewish settlers who reside on Jonathan House in Silwan, while vowing again to promote a plan for the legalization of illegal Palestinian houses, <b>billige viagra apotek</b>, <b>Viagra without prescription</b>, including Jonathan House.  <b>Buy viagra</b>, The truth is that even if these plans survive the long and expensive planning process and become valid, there is very little chance for the Palestinians to actually realize them due to difficulties associated with land ownership and many other economic and planning problems.  Past experience shows that when the city attempts to build a settlement (in Ras al-Amud and earlier in Bet Orot in As-Sawane), <b>Louisiana LA </b>, <b>Farmacia viagra baratos</b>, it presents them as running parallel with plans for Arabs.  Eventually, <b>ordering viagra online without prescription</b>, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, in the said case, the Jewish plan was realized, <b>acheter viagra discount</b>, <b>Buy viagra online cheap</b>, but the Palestinian plan was not.</p>
<p>• "House demolitions in East Jerusalem are about law-enforcement and are part of our struggle against illegal construction."</p>
<p>The truth is that houses are built illegally in East Jerusalem as a direct result of the ongoing lack of plans for Palestinians and negligence of some one-third of the Jerusalem residents, <b>cheap viagra pills</b>, <b>Cheap viagra</b>, whon one cannot describe them all as "construction criminals".  Since 1967, <b>Michigan MI Mich. </b>, the government initiated the planning and construction of some 50,000 apartments for Jews in East Jerusalem, while less than 700 such units were initiated for the Palestinians (and only in the 1970's). </strong></blockquote></p>
<p>You can find more myths and facts in an April 27th piece by APN's <a HREF="http://peacenow.org/entries/top_10_barkat_myths">Lara Friedman</A>.</p>
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<p>Dan Fleshler #2: Sometimes one has to stand on one’s principles, <b>District of Columbia DC D.C. </b>.  <b>Discount viagra</b>, Dan #1: What difference would it make. Nobody reads your blog anymore, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.</p>
<p>Dan #2: There’s still a tiny following, <b>order viagra</b>.  <b>αγοράσετε viagra</b>, Some people seem to care. My posts get Retweeted, <b>cheap viagra no prescription</b>.  <b>Online viagra</b>, Dan #1: You’ll never get a job in the Jewish community again.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Dan #2: I can’t get a job in the community anyway.</p>
<p>Dan  #1: Even J Street U and the New Israel Fund joined with other groups and signed <a HREF="http://www.jstreet.org/blog/?p=944">a letter</A> opposing the resolution, <b>billige viagra Apotheke</b>.  <b>Cheap viagra without prescription</b>, You’ll be jeopardizing ties that are important to you.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I want to believe the tent is big enough, <b>viagra pills</b>.  <b>Kentucky KY Ky. </b>, I bet many people who participate in J Street’s political actions support this resolution, too, <b>buy viagra</b>. We can agree to disagree and still work together to support evenhanded American policy, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.  <b>Ordering viagra from canada</b>, Dan #1:  But you’ll be bolstering the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, <b>viagra ordine on-line</b>.  <b>Buy viagra without prescription</b>, They heap abuse on everything related to Israel. Doesn’t that bother you, <b>Kansas KS Kans. </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra no prescription</b>, Dan #2:  I have a problem with a lot of the BDSers because they don’t accept the premise of a Jewish state.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, And it’s wrong to boycott all Israeli institutions, including those that include critics of the occupation. But this resolution doesn’t target Israel as a whole, <b>cheap viagra online cheap</b>.  <b>Oklahoma OK Okla. </b>, It urges Berkeley to divest from two American companies “because of their military support of the occupation of the Palestinian territories.” And it urges the university to “examine its assets” to ensure it is not investing in companies that profit from the occupation.  Well, <b>viagra no prescription</b>, <b>Viagra online kaufen</b>, why not give it a try. Nothing else has stopped Israeli settlement expansion or the kind of behavior Israel exhibited in Gaza, <b>cheap viagra tablets</b>, <b>Viagra online kopen</b>, some of which was appalling.</p>
<p>Dan #1: But this resolution places all blame for the conflict on Israel, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. Its rhetoric could have demonstrated an understanding of the complexity of the situation, <b>bestill viagra online</b>, the fact that two sides have contributed mightily to this mess, but it did not do so. Israel is the only party that’s held accountable.</p>
<p>Dan #2: I would have written the resolution differently.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So why support a document if you’re not sure you agree with parts of it.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, This one also alleges that certain Israeli acts in Gaza were “war crimes.” Isn’t that inaccurate. Don’t you think the standard rules of war are inapplicable to many of the situations Israel faced, where combatants took shelter among civilians.</p>
<p>Dan #2 (pause for a deep deep breath): I am not sure if technically they were war crimes. But Israel put itself in a situation where a great many civilian casualties were inevitable. It didn’t have to make that choice.  The whole enterprise was meant to send the message: “Ba’al ha bayit hishtageyah (the master of the house has gone crazy).” Children were killed as a result, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. They didn’t have to die.</p>
<p>Dan #1:  It’s easy for you to say that from the comfort of your American armchair. In the real world, something had to be done to stop Hamas. C’mon.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Be honest with yourself. You’re just trying to win friends on the left. You want them to think you’re “progressive.”</p>
<p>Dan #2: Maybe. But they won’t like you, and you’re also Dan Fleshler.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So you’re not really taking a stand. You’re just posting both points of view. Isn’t that the coward’s way out.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I don’t see anyone else posting both points of view.  Ambivalent people deserve a voice, too.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Viagra over the counter, In a recent post, the increasingly influential Philip Weiss tells of a Gaza psychiatrist who pleads with his visitors to "reach out and heal" Israelis because they are "gripped by fear." Weiss accepts the challenge. After saying Israelis have a “psychosis” because of their fears, he asserts:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, In a recent post, the increasingly influential <a HREF="http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/solidarity-with-palestinians-yes-but-why-not-solidarity-with-jews.html">Philip Weiss</a> tells of a Gaza psychiatrist who pleads with his visitors to "reach out and heal" Israelis because they are "gripped by fear." Weiss accepts the challenge. After saying Israelis have a “psychosis” because of their fears, he asserts:</p>
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<p>But not Mailer, <b>order viagra online</b>. And this is the sad truth about Zionism: it distilled distrust. Its nationalistic appeal sorted out Jews who were fearful about antisemitism from those who were not, <b>viagra over the counter</b>.  <b>South Dakota SD </b>, It sorted out those who believe that Jews must look out for Jews from those who favor integration in western societies. It sorted out the ethnocentric, Is-it-good-for-the-Jews types, <b>Missouri MO Mo. </b>, from Jews who think it's OK to marry non-Jews.  <b>Buy viagra without prescription</b>, And in that division, the fearful took power. They moved to Israel or manned the barricades of the Israel lobby, <b>billig kaufen viagra</b>, and the integrators married non-Jews or wrote books about jazz and checked out.  The fearful were granted power by the rest of the community.</strong></em></blockquote> <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, I searched that post and the rest of MondoWeiss in vain for an acknowledgment that the fears of Israeli and American Jews are based on anything other than the Holocaust and an innate suspicion of the outside world.  <b>Ohio OH </b>, The Holocaust has certainly helped to “condition” Israeli consciousness. But Israelis and their supporters here (including realistic doves like me) have also been conditioned by a more recent phenomenon which is apparently of little consequence to Weiss and his allies: suicide bombings and rocket attacks on civilians.</p>
<p>The second intifada began 10 and 1/2 years ago, <b>price of viagra</b>, and the litany of incessant terrorist attacks against innocent civilians is still fresh in people’s minds.  <b>Cheap viagra no prescription</b>, The idea that these attacks –and the rockets from Gaza that bombarded southern Israel-- frightened and angered Israelis and made them believe there was no Palestinian partner seems so obvious that there should be no need to repeat it. Apparently there is, <b>viagra over the counter</b>.</p>
<p>Study a <a HREF="http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp">list </a> of those attacks and focus on 2001-2003, and it is easy to understand why the  intifada demolished much of the Israeli peace camp, <b>generic viagra</b>.  It was not just the major, <b>Order viagra from canada</b>, storied bombings like those directed at a banquet hall in Netanya, buses and cafes in Jerusalem, the Hebrew University cafeteria, <b>Connecticut CT Conn. </b>, malls and a disco in Tel Aviv.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, There was also a host of attacks, a constant barrage of them, that barely made the news here: in one 5-month period in 2002, <b>buy viagra online without prescription</b>, there were bombings of a bus in Hadera, <b>Acheter viagra bon marché</b>, a bus at the Meron Junction, a bus in French Hill in Jerusalem, the central bus station in Tel Aviv, <b>billige viagra Apotheke</b>, a bus near Afula.  <b>Viagra ordine on-line</b>, There are many reasons for the perpetuation of the occupation, some of them inexcuseable, such as the persistent grip of Jewish settlers on Israel's political system, <b>order viagra online without prescription</b>.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, But one of them is the legitimate Israeli worry that no one will exert control over extremist groups that see nothing wrong with blowing up Israeli women and children. To Weiss and the rest of the unremittingly anti-Israel left, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, when Palestinian terrorism is mentioned at all, it is explained away as understandable resistance to the occupation. In <a HREF=”http://mondoweiss.net/?s=western+demonology”>one blog post</A>, <b>halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Weiss mocks “the centrality of the Palestinian suicide bomber in Western demonology.”  Mostly, <b>Idaho ID </b>, he and his fans ignore what happened to Israelis in the second intifada or the rockets hitting Sderot. I don't meant to imply that they are always wrong when they deplore Israel for over-reacting to Palestinian provocations. But they are wrong to discount the reasons for the reaction, <b>buy generic viagra</b>.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that Palestinians have suffered more than Israelis because of this conflict, <b>viagra over the counter</b>. There is an asymmetry of grief as well as an asymmetry of power.  <b>αγοράσετε viagra</b>, The occupation is immoral as well as illegal. Many more Palestinians than Israelis were killed during the intifada. But the fact remains that about 1, <b>viagra farmacia a buon mercato</b>,000 Israelis died and many more were seriously injured.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, That didn’t happen very long ago. Remembering those Israeli deaths and injuries, and being worried about more deaths and injuries, is not a symptom of psychosis. It is a rational response.</p>
<p>I believe Philip Weiss is making a good faith effort to understand Israelis and their followers in the U.S. He is correct in saying that the "fearful" have too much power, at least in the American Jewish community. But he should understand that there are widows, widowers, orphans, maimed victims and justifiable fears on both sides of the conflict.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In <a HREF="http://www.unityunitarian.org/documents/25may2008.pdf">The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House in Jerusalem</a>, he described an early version of the Middle East peace process industry:

<blockquote>The mediators, the peacemakers, the compromise-shapers,
the comforters
live in the white house
and get their nourishment from far away,
through winding pipes, through dark veins, like a fetus.

And their secretaries are lipsticked and laughing,
and their sturdy chauffeurs wait below, like horses in a stable,
and the trees that shade them have their roots in no-man’s land
and the illusions are children who went out to find cyclamen
in the field
and did not come back.

</blockquote>

After devoting more lines to sadly mocking this nest of illusionists, Amichai concludes:

<blockquote>And hopes come to me like bold seafarers,
like the discoverers of continents coming to an island,
and stay for a day or two
and rest…
And then they set sail.
</blockquote>

There has been an unrelenting barrage of gloomy pronouncements about the Israeli-Palestinian talks. All manner of pundits from the right, left and center have explained why the talks will amount to nothing and might even do more harm than good, why only fools and impractical dreamers would permit our bold seafarers, our hopes, to arrive and remain.

One of the most thorough and convincing critiques comes from <a HREF="http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=864">Donald Horowitz</A>, a scholar who doesn’t seem to have any ax to grind (HT: Tom Mitchell).  On the left, <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/netanyahu-reneges-on-freeze-rabbi-calls-for-plague-to-kill-all-palestinians-on-eve-of-obamas-peace-talks.html">Juan Cole</a> explains “how little Netanyahu is interested in real peace with the Palestinians” and offers compelling reasons to be scornful.  On the right, <a HREF="http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2010/08/pa-authority-incitement-to-kill-israelis-and-destroy-israel">Barry Rubin</a> is equally convincing when he explains how “Palestinian Authority incitement to kill Israelis and destroy Israel” is a “powerful subverter of chances for peace.” (Note that he is talking about the PA, not Hamas).</blockquote>



Just wander around the blogosphere for five minutes and you will find many more.

If you were expecting persuasive rebuttals, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don’t disagree with any of these arguments for gloom. <a HREF=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/want-that-israeli-palesti_b_701239.html>Daniel Levy</a> probably doesn’t disagree either, although he bravely shoulders the burden of showing why the talks might defy expectations and amount to something: 

<blockquote>(T)he main reason for hope rests with the potential that President Obama, having taken ownership of this issue, will pursue decisive leadership down the line. As a candidate, Barack Obama flirted with a definition of pro-Israel that was more sophisticated and more relevant to contemporary realities than the standard fare served up by pandering politicians (at a campaign stop with Jewish leadership in Cleveland, Ohio, he suggested that pro-Israel need not only be defined as pro-Likud. In insisting that a two-state solution and comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace is in the U.S. interest, President Obama is advancing a narrative that was adopted rather late in the day by his predecessor and that is very much the consensus of the U.S. military... 

…The seemingly plodding progress made by the Obama administration thus far can be more generously interpreted as the U.S. methodically walking the parties to a place where decisive U.S. intervention and presentation of U.S. proposals becomes more possible, more justifiable, and more likely to succeed. According to that view, this week represents another and particularly important step in that direction. American officials have openly acknowledged that bridging proposals might be forthcoming and are showing a greater commitment to being present in the room at negotiations than has been the case in past efforts. </blockquote>

That helps. At least it helps a little bit. But even if the PA and Israel astonishingly come to terms under American auspices, given the deep political divisions within both peoples, and given the profound gaps in their narratives, it is unlikely that either party would be able to implement an  agreement that would hold up in the near future.

If there is little hope for the short-term, though, that doesn’t mean the long-term prospects are entirely bleak.  Lately, the popular analogy of this mess to the one in Northern Ireland has been demolished by many different commentators, including Horowitz and Levy. They point out the many differences between the players and the circumstances of the two conflicts.   But they miss the most important point about the Republican-Unionist struggles, a more general and much much less complicated point: eventually, people in both communities just couldn’t take any more violence and turmoil. Eventually, the extremists on both sides decided that violence was counterproductive and gave up their maximalist demands.

Tom Mitchell is one of the few people around with a detailed knowledge of the nuances of both conflicts. In a message he sent to me that will eventually become part of a post, he wrote: “Peace in Northern Ireland came about only after the Republican Movement realized that a military victory was impossible and that there was a political cost to pay for the continued conflict.”

In a subsequent note, he gave one explanation of why the Republicans made that decision, a point that will make the left very uncomfortable: “British, and to a lesser extent Irish, intelligence did a very good job of infiltrating the IRA and INLA during the 1980s and early 1990s and thus were able to neutralize many IRA operations and imprison experienced terrorists.” 

For a host of reasons, somehow both sides eventually grew tired enough to put aside centuries of resentment and bitter memories and sectarian passions.  

There are any number of reasons why that kind of transformation probably won't happen in Israel and the territories. But no one should assert with smug certainty that it will NEVER happen. Nor should anyone try to predict how long it will take. People and nations do change, change utterly. Grand ideologies are discarded and others replace them (e.g., China got fed up with Maoism and embraced free enterprise). Assumptions are overturned. Bitter conflicts somehow end (think France and Germany). That is not a very sophisticated political analysis, but that doesn't make it less true. Right now, I confess it is the only reason for my bold seafarers to hang around.

So I will conclude with Yehuda Amichai, who, unsurprisingly, got it right decades ago. In “Sort of an Apocalypse,” he wrote:


<blockquote>And they’ll beat their swords into plowshares and plowshares into swords, 
And so on and so on, and back and forth. 
Perhaps from being beaten thinner and thinner 
the iron of hatred will vanish forever. </blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a <a HREF=”http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1781”> Pew Research Center poll</A>. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But <a HREF=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/opinion/21blow.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=charles%20m%20blow&st=cse”>Charles M. Blow’s</A> take on the poll in the New York Times is even more troubling, because it bolsters the canard that American Jews are single-issue voters who judge politicians mainly on the basis of their positions on Israel.  Commenting on Pew’s results, Blow asserts, “This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration’s having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel while `taking special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.’”

Blow devotes much of the article to describing the Obama administration’s rocky relationship with Israel and the extent to which this troubles the Jewish community. 

But he does not even mention the possibility that many Jewish voters are troubled by Obama and the Dems for the same reasons that other voters are troubled: the sorry state of the economy, concerns about the health care initiative, a general feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. And he offers no evidence whatsoever that Obama's dealings with Israel are more important to these voters than domestic matters. 
 
On the contrary, any number of surveys show that Israel-related matters are a relatively low priority for most American Jewish voters. When pollsters from <A HREF=”http://marchpoll.s3.amazonaws.com/J%20Street%20Survey%20March%202010%20Final%20Results.pdf”>Gerstein Agne</A> asked American Jews in March to choose the top two issues they will use to decide their 2010 Congressional votes, Israel ranked 7th. It was deemed to be less important than the economy, health care, the deficit and government spending, Social Security and Medicare, and terrorism and national security. Israel was given the same ranking as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 10% of the respondents chose Israel as one of their top two issues.

Similarly, while Israel’s fate is certainly a concern for most American Jews, an <a HREF=”http://www.forward.com/articles/12257/”>American Jewish Committee poll</a> in November, 2007 revealed that it is an obsession for a tiny minority of Jewish voters:

When asked to pick their most important campaign issue from a list of options, 23% of those surveyed named the economy and jobs, followed by health care (19%), the war in Iraq (16%), terrorism and national security (14%), support for Israel (6%), immigration (6%) and the energy crisis (6%).

Does Israel matter to the American Jews who have jumped ship and joined the Republicans in recent months? Most likely. But nowhere in the results of the Pew poll or any previous survey is there an indication that issues connected to Israel are the most important factors in determining American Jews’ political affiliations. 

As I’ve noted <a HREF=”http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/191”>elsewhere</a> on this blog, “Israel is one of the things Americans Jews care about and worry about, but when it is time to exercise our civic responsibilities, what happens here at home is what matters most to us.”



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<p>Study a <a HREF="http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp">list </a> of those attacks and focus on 2001-2003, and it is easy to understand why the  intifada demolished much of the Israeli peace camp, <b>generic viagra</b>.  It was not just the major, <b>Order viagra from canada</b>, storied bombings like those directed at a banquet hall in Netanya, buses and cafes in Jerusalem, the Hebrew University cafeteria, <b>Connecticut CT Conn. </b>, malls and a disco in Tel Aviv.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, There was also a host of attacks, a constant barrage of them, that barely made the news here: in one 5-month period in 2002, <b>buy viagra online without prescription</b>, there were bombings of a bus in Hadera, <b>Acheter viagra bon marché</b>, a bus at the Meron Junction, a bus in French Hill in Jerusalem, the central bus station in Tel Aviv, <b>billige viagra Apotheke</b>, a bus near Afula.  <b>Viagra ordine on-line</b>, There are many reasons for the perpetuation of the occupation, some of them inexcuseable, such as the persistent grip of Jewish settlers on Israel's political system, <b>order viagra online without prescription</b>.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, But one of them is the legitimate Israeli worry that no one will exert control over extremist groups that see nothing wrong with blowing up Israeli women and children. To Weiss and the rest of the unremittingly anti-Israel left, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, when Palestinian terrorism is mentioned at all, it is explained away as understandable resistance to the occupation. In <a HREF=”http://mondoweiss.net/?s=western+demonology”>one blog post</A>, <b>halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Weiss mocks “the centrality of the Palestinian suicide bomber in Western demonology.”  Mostly, <b>Idaho ID </b>, he and his fans ignore what happened to Israelis in the second intifada or the rockets hitting Sderot. I don't meant to imply that they are always wrong when they deplore Israel for over-reacting to Palestinian provocations. But they are wrong to discount the reasons for the reaction, <b>buy generic viagra</b>.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that Palestinians have suffered more than Israelis because of this conflict, <b>viagra over the counter</b>. There is an asymmetry of grief as well as an asymmetry of power.  <b>αγοράσετε viagra</b>, The occupation is immoral as well as illegal. Many more Palestinians than Israelis were killed during the intifada. But the fact remains that about 1, <b>viagra farmacia a buon mercato</b>,000 Israelis died and many more were seriously injured.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, That didn’t happen very long ago. Remembering those Israeli deaths and injuries, and being worried about more deaths and injuries, is not a symptom of psychosis. It is a rational response.</p>
<p>I believe Philip Weiss is making a good faith effort to understand Israelis and their followers in the U.S. He is correct in saying that the "fearful" have too much power, at least in the American Jewish community. But he should understand that there are widows, widowers, orphans, maimed victims and justifiable fears on both sides of the conflict.</p>
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<p>“Has he been to Israel. Does he understand how complex the situation is?”</p>
<p>“Sure he’s been there. This summer, he went to Bi’lin, on the West Bank, and he saw how the security barrier cut that village in half. So he joined the protestors. I told him that was a mistake…But I didn’t really believe what I was saying, <b>order viagra</b>. Now he’s considering joining the boycotters when he gets back to school. You’ve lost him. But I don’t want to lose him. Forget it.  <b>Order viagra</b>, Enough is enough. The respect of my kid is more important to me than helping your country!”</p>
<p>“Look, if you’re concerned about him, why not tell him he doesn’t need to leave the fold.  There are liberal Zionists against the occupation. He can still find a home in the pro-Israel community."</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by <a HREF="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/?pagination=false">Peter Beinart</A> <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, in the New York Review of Books.  <b>Köpa viagra online</b>, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern for Palestinian dignity."</p>
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<p><blockquote><strong><em>The heads of AIPAC and the Presidents’ Conference should ask themselves what Israel’s leaders would have to do or say to make them scream “no.” After all, Lieberman is foreign minister; Effi Eitam  [a Netanyahu appointee who has openly recommended ethnic cleansing] is touring American universities; settlements are growing at triple the rate of the Israeli population; half of Israeli Jewish high school students want Arabs barred from the Knesset, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Utah UT </b>, If the line has not yet been crossed, where is the line, <b>goedkope viagra apotheek</b>.  <b>Delaware DE Del. </b>, </strong></em></blockquote></p>
<p>There is no line and there never will be.  Asking AIPAC and the most powerful players in the Presidents' Conference to publicly criticize Israeli policy is like asking a dog to play poker, <b>order viagra cod</b>.  <b>Idaho ID </b>, Beinart is urging a violation of the laws of nature, of organizational DNA, <b>Missouri MO Mo. </b>.  <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, AIPAC and the leaders of the Presidents Conference are--and probably always will be--guided by the credo that differences with Israel can be voiced behind closed doors but never in the open air.  <b>Order viagra online</b>, Beinart concludes his essay by urging "American Jewish organizations" to bring to Hillel some of the young Israelis who are regularly protesting the expropriation of Arab housing in Sheikh Jarrah, in East Jerusalem, <b>comprar en línea viagra</b>.  <b>Viagra sale</b>, "What if this was the face of Zionism shown to America's young?" That is a lovely idea but it is mystifying that he somehow expects the hidebound Jewish establishment to make it real.</p>
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<p>In Israel, he notes, 'humane, universalistic Zionism does not wield power, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Ordering viagra pills</b>, To the contrary, it is gasping for air." But he hasn't noticed that it is very much alive in the American Jewish community, <b>West Virginia WV W.Va. </b>, <b>Rabatt kaufen viagra</b>, and there are organizations doing a good job of spreading the credo of this blog, i.e., <b>buy viagra no prescription</b>, <b>Ordering viagra no rx</b>, progressive and pro-Israel need not be an oxymoron.  To be sure, the organizations in this camp are still smaller than the groups in the Israel-right-or-wrong crowd. But the organized dovish camp is growing, and it is growing louder.  Beinart's smart essay correctly diagnoses the disease but desparately reaches for a cure among groups like the Presidents Conference and AIPAC, instead of identifying the real sources of hope and health in the American Jewish community.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Americans for Peace Now has posted an excellent summary of the situation in Jerusalem by Hagit Ofran Buy viagra, , the head of Peace Now's Settlement Watch program. It has been on their web site for awhile but is worth repeating here in the land of realistic doves, cheap viagra online legally.  Purchase [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Americans for Peace Now has posted an excellent summary of the situation in Jerusalem by <A HREF="http://peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=61&fld=620&docid=4657">Hagit Ofran</a> <b>Buy viagra</b>, , the head of Peace Now's Settlement Watch program. It has been on their web site for awhile but is worth repeating here in the land of realistic doves, <b>cheap viagra online legally</b>.  <b>Purchase viagra</b>, It is a scathing critique of the tenure of Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat, asserting that since his election in November 2008, <b>Virginia VA Va. </b>, <b>Vermont VT Vt. </b>, he has been "one of the most faithful allies the East Jerusalem settlers could have...The intensification of settlement activities in East Jerusalem threatens the chances of implementing the two-state solution and might create an irreversible situation that would prevent a compromise in Jerusalem."</p>
<p>Among the valuable tidbits are some responses to common arguments in defense of Israeli behavior in Jerusalem. These are the truths Eli Wiesel either doesn't know or wilfully ignores:</p>
<p><blockquote><strong></p>
<p>• "Jews may build in East Jerusalem just as Arabs may build in West Jerusalem."</p>
<p>The truth is it is practically impossible for Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to buy or build houses in West Jerusalem, <b>Iowa IA </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, Most of the lands in Israel are "state lands" and, according to the Israel Land Administration (ILA), <b>købe viagra</b>, <b>New Hampshire NH N.H. </b>, anyone who is not an Israeli citizen (or entitled to immigrate to Israel according to the Law of Return) must obtain a special ILA permit before they can buy or own state lands or apartments built on them (and such permits are issued only in most irregular cases).</p>
<p>• "We plan for Arabs too, not only for settlers."</p>
<p>One of the first issues that Barkat addressed was the promotion of "The King's Garden" plan for the construction of a Biblical park in the Bustan Neighborhood in Silwan, <b>buy viagra</b>.  It was to be built on the ruins of dozens of Palestinian houses that were to be demolished because they were built without permits, <b>cheapest viagra in the world</b>.  <b>Viagra cheap</b>, The plan attracted great international criticism.  Attempting to justify the vast demolitions, <b>ordering viagra</b>, <b>Halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Barkat promised he would promote a grand construction plan for Palestinians near the Bustan park.  At the same time, <b>buy cheap viagra</b>, <b>Viagra generic</b>, Barkat is trying to prevent the execution of an evacuation order issued against Jewish settlers who reside on Jonathan House in Silwan, while vowing again to promote a plan for the legalization of illegal Palestinian houses, <b>billige viagra apotek</b>, <b>Viagra without prescription</b>, including Jonathan House.  <b>Buy viagra</b>, The truth is that even if these plans survive the long and expensive planning process and become valid, there is very little chance for the Palestinians to actually realize them due to difficulties associated with land ownership and many other economic and planning problems.  Past experience shows that when the city attempts to build a settlement (in Ras al-Amud and earlier in Bet Orot in As-Sawane), <b>Louisiana LA </b>, <b>Farmacia viagra baratos</b>, it presents them as running parallel with plans for Arabs.  Eventually, <b>ordering viagra online without prescription</b>, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, in the said case, the Jewish plan was realized, <b>acheter viagra discount</b>, <b>Buy viagra online cheap</b>, but the Palestinian plan was not.</p>
<p>• "House demolitions in East Jerusalem are about law-enforcement and are part of our struggle against illegal construction."</p>
<p>The truth is that houses are built illegally in East Jerusalem as a direct result of the ongoing lack of plans for Palestinians and negligence of some one-third of the Jerusalem residents, <b>cheap viagra pills</b>, <b>Cheap viagra</b>, whon one cannot describe them all as "construction criminals".  Since 1967, <b>Michigan MI Mich. </b>, the government initiated the planning and construction of some 50,000 apartments for Jews in East Jerusalem, while less than 700 such units were initiated for the Palestinians (and only in the 1970's). </strong></blockquote></p>
<p>You can find more myths and facts in an April 27th piece by APN's <a HREF="http://peacenow.org/entries/top_10_barkat_myths">Lara Friedman</A>.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Dan Fleshler #1: Are you crazy. Why say anything positive about the <a HREF="http://blog.justpeacemideast.org/2010/03/18/uc-berkeley-students-union-votes-to-divest-from-corporations-involved-in-gaza-invasion/"> Berkeley Student Senate divestment resolution</A>, <b>Colorado CO Colo. </b>.  <b>Kjøp Discount viagra</b>, It’ll do you more harm than good.</p>
<p>Dan Fleshler #2: Sometimes one has to stand on one’s principles, <b>District of Columbia DC D.C. </b>.  <b>Discount viagra</b>, Dan #1: What difference would it make. Nobody reads your blog anymore, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.</p>
<p>Dan #2: There’s still a tiny following, <b>order viagra</b>.  <b>αγοράσετε viagra</b>, Some people seem to care. My posts get Retweeted, <b>cheap viagra no prescription</b>.  <b>Online viagra</b>, Dan #1: You’ll never get a job in the Jewish community again.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Dan #2: I can’t get a job in the community anyway.</p>
<p>Dan  #1: Even J Street U and the New Israel Fund joined with other groups and signed <a HREF="http://www.jstreet.org/blog/?p=944">a letter</A> opposing the resolution, <b>billige viagra Apotheke</b>.  <b>Cheap viagra without prescription</b>, You’ll be jeopardizing ties that are important to you.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I want to believe the tent is big enough, <b>viagra pills</b>.  <b>Kentucky KY Ky. </b>, I bet many people who participate in J Street’s political actions support this resolution, too, <b>buy viagra</b>. We can agree to disagree and still work together to support evenhanded American policy, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.  <b>Ordering viagra from canada</b>, Dan #1:  But you’ll be bolstering the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, <b>viagra ordine on-line</b>.  <b>Buy viagra without prescription</b>, They heap abuse on everything related to Israel. Doesn’t that bother you, <b>Kansas KS Kans. </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra no prescription</b>, Dan #2:  I have a problem with a lot of the BDSers because they don’t accept the premise of a Jewish state.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, And it’s wrong to boycott all Israeli institutions, including those that include critics of the occupation. But this resolution doesn’t target Israel as a whole, <b>cheap viagra online cheap</b>.  <b>Oklahoma OK Okla. </b>, It urges Berkeley to divest from two American companies “because of their military support of the occupation of the Palestinian territories.” And it urges the university to “examine its assets” to ensure it is not investing in companies that profit from the occupation.  Well, <b>viagra no prescription</b>, <b>Viagra online kaufen</b>, why not give it a try. Nothing else has stopped Israeli settlement expansion or the kind of behavior Israel exhibited in Gaza, <b>cheap viagra tablets</b>, <b>Viagra online kopen</b>, some of which was appalling.</p>
<p>Dan #1: But this resolution places all blame for the conflict on Israel, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. Its rhetoric could have demonstrated an understanding of the complexity of the situation, <b>bestill viagra online</b>, the fact that two sides have contributed mightily to this mess, but it did not do so. Israel is the only party that’s held accountable.</p>
<p>Dan #2: I would have written the resolution differently.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So why support a document if you’re not sure you agree with parts of it.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, This one also alleges that certain Israeli acts in Gaza were “war crimes.” Isn’t that inaccurate. Don’t you think the standard rules of war are inapplicable to many of the situations Israel faced, where combatants took shelter among civilians.</p>
<p>Dan #2 (pause for a deep deep breath): I am not sure if technically they were war crimes. But Israel put itself in a situation where a great many civilian casualties were inevitable. It didn’t have to make that choice.  The whole enterprise was meant to send the message: “Ba’al ha bayit hishtageyah (the master of the house has gone crazy).” Children were killed as a result, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. They didn’t have to die.</p>
<p>Dan #1:  It’s easy for you to say that from the comfort of your American armchair. In the real world, something had to be done to stop Hamas. C’mon.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Be honest with yourself. You’re just trying to win friends on the left. You want them to think you’re “progressive.”</p>
<p>Dan #2: Maybe. But they won’t like you, and you’re also Dan Fleshler.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So you’re not really taking a stand. You’re just posting both points of view. Isn’t that the coward’s way out.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I don’t see anyone else posting both points of view.  Ambivalent people deserve a voice, too.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In <a HREF="http://www.unityunitarian.org/documents/25may2008.pdf">The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House in Jerusalem</a>, he described an early version of the Middle East peace process industry:

<blockquote>The mediators, the peacemakers, the compromise-shapers,
the comforters
live in the white house
and get their nourishment from far away,
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And their secretaries are lipsticked and laughing,
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and the illusions are children who went out to find cyclamen
in the field
and did not come back.

</blockquote>

After devoting more lines to sadly mocking this nest of illusionists, Amichai concludes:

<blockquote>And hopes come to me like bold seafarers,
like the discoverers of continents coming to an island,
and stay for a day or two
and rest…
And then they set sail.
</blockquote>

There has been an unrelenting barrage of gloomy pronouncements about the Israeli-Palestinian talks. All manner of pundits from the right, left and center have explained why the talks will amount to nothing and might even do more harm than good, why only fools and impractical dreamers would permit our bold seafarers, our hopes, to arrive and remain.

One of the most thorough and convincing critiques comes from <a HREF="http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=864">Donald Horowitz</A>, a scholar who doesn’t seem to have any ax to grind (HT: Tom Mitchell).  On the left, <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/netanyahu-reneges-on-freeze-rabbi-calls-for-plague-to-kill-all-palestinians-on-eve-of-obamas-peace-talks.html">Juan Cole</a> explains “how little Netanyahu is interested in real peace with the Palestinians” and offers compelling reasons to be scornful.  On the right, <a HREF="http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2010/08/pa-authority-incitement-to-kill-israelis-and-destroy-israel">Barry Rubin</a> is equally convincing when he explains how “Palestinian Authority incitement to kill Israelis and destroy Israel” is a “powerful subverter of chances for peace.” (Note that he is talking about the PA, not Hamas).</blockquote>



Just wander around the blogosphere for five minutes and you will find many more.

If you were expecting persuasive rebuttals, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don’t disagree with any of these arguments for gloom. <a HREF=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/want-that-israeli-palesti_b_701239.html>Daniel Levy</a> probably doesn’t disagree either, although he bravely shoulders the burden of showing why the talks might defy expectations and amount to something: 

<blockquote>(T)he main reason for hope rests with the potential that President Obama, having taken ownership of this issue, will pursue decisive leadership down the line. As a candidate, Barack Obama flirted with a definition of pro-Israel that was more sophisticated and more relevant to contemporary realities than the standard fare served up by pandering politicians (at a campaign stop with Jewish leadership in Cleveland, Ohio, he suggested that pro-Israel need not only be defined as pro-Likud. In insisting that a two-state solution and comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace is in the U.S. interest, President Obama is advancing a narrative that was adopted rather late in the day by his predecessor and that is very much the consensus of the U.S. military... 

…The seemingly plodding progress made by the Obama administration thus far can be more generously interpreted as the U.S. methodically walking the parties to a place where decisive U.S. intervention and presentation of U.S. proposals becomes more possible, more justifiable, and more likely to succeed. According to that view, this week represents another and particularly important step in that direction. American officials have openly acknowledged that bridging proposals might be forthcoming and are showing a greater commitment to being present in the room at negotiations than has been the case in past efforts. </blockquote>

That helps. At least it helps a little bit. But even if the PA and Israel astonishingly come to terms under American auspices, given the deep political divisions within both peoples, and given the profound gaps in their narratives, it is unlikely that either party would be able to implement an  agreement that would hold up in the near future.

If there is little hope for the short-term, though, that doesn’t mean the long-term prospects are entirely bleak.  Lately, the popular analogy of this mess to the one in Northern Ireland has been demolished by many different commentators, including Horowitz and Levy. They point out the many differences between the players and the circumstances of the two conflicts.   But they miss the most important point about the Republican-Unionist struggles, a more general and much much less complicated point: eventually, people in both communities just couldn’t take any more violence and turmoil. Eventually, the extremists on both sides decided that violence was counterproductive and gave up their maximalist demands.

Tom Mitchell is one of the few people around with a detailed knowledge of the nuances of both conflicts. In a message he sent to me that will eventually become part of a post, he wrote: “Peace in Northern Ireland came about only after the Republican Movement realized that a military victory was impossible and that there was a political cost to pay for the continued conflict.”

In a subsequent note, he gave one explanation of why the Republicans made that decision, a point that will make the left very uncomfortable: “British, and to a lesser extent Irish, intelligence did a very good job of infiltrating the IRA and INLA during the 1980s and early 1990s and thus were able to neutralize many IRA operations and imprison experienced terrorists.” 

For a host of reasons, somehow both sides eventually grew tired enough to put aside centuries of resentment and bitter memories and sectarian passions.  

There are any number of reasons why that kind of transformation probably won't happen in Israel and the territories. But no one should assert with smug certainty that it will NEVER happen. Nor should anyone try to predict how long it will take. People and nations do change, change utterly. Grand ideologies are discarded and others replace them (e.g., China got fed up with Maoism and embraced free enterprise). Assumptions are overturned. Bitter conflicts somehow end (think France and Germany). That is not a very sophisticated political analysis, but that doesn't make it less true. Right now, I confess it is the only reason for my bold seafarers to hang around.

So I will conclude with Yehuda Amichai, who, unsurprisingly, got it right decades ago. In “Sort of an Apocalypse,” he wrote:


<blockquote>And they’ll beat their swords into plowshares and plowshares into swords, 
And so on and so on, and back and forth. 
Perhaps from being beaten thinner and thinner 
the iron of hatred will vanish forever. </blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a  Pew Research Center poll. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But Charles M. Blow’s take on the poll in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a <a HREF=”http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1781”> Pew Research Center poll</A>. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But <a HREF=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/opinion/21blow.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=charles%20m%20blow&st=cse”>Charles M. Blow’s</A> take on the poll in the New York Times is even more troubling, because it bolsters the canard that American Jews are single-issue voters who judge politicians mainly on the basis of their positions on Israel.  Commenting on Pew’s results, Blow asserts, “This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration’s having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel while `taking special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.’”

Blow devotes much of the article to describing the Obama administration’s rocky relationship with Israel and the extent to which this troubles the Jewish community. 

But he does not even mention the possibility that many Jewish voters are troubled by Obama and the Dems for the same reasons that other voters are troubled: the sorry state of the economy, concerns about the health care initiative, a general feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. And he offers no evidence whatsoever that Obama's dealings with Israel are more important to these voters than domestic matters. 
 
On the contrary, any number of surveys show that Israel-related matters are a relatively low priority for most American Jewish voters. When pollsters from <A HREF=”http://marchpoll.s3.amazonaws.com/J%20Street%20Survey%20March%202010%20Final%20Results.pdf”>Gerstein Agne</A> asked American Jews in March to choose the top two issues they will use to decide their 2010 Congressional votes, Israel ranked 7th. It was deemed to be less important than the economy, health care, the deficit and government spending, Social Security and Medicare, and terrorism and national security. Israel was given the same ranking as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 10% of the respondents chose Israel as one of their top two issues.

Similarly, while Israel’s fate is certainly a concern for most American Jews, an <a HREF=”http://www.forward.com/articles/12257/”>American Jewish Committee poll</a> in November, 2007 revealed that it is an obsession for a tiny minority of Jewish voters:

When asked to pick their most important campaign issue from a list of options, 23% of those surveyed named the economy and jobs, followed by health care (19%), the war in Iraq (16%), terrorism and national security (14%), support for Israel (6%), immigration (6%) and the energy crisis (6%).

Does Israel matter to the American Jews who have jumped ship and joined the Republicans in recent months? Most likely. But nowhere in the results of the Pew poll or any previous survey is there an indication that issues connected to Israel are the most important factors in determining American Jews’ political affiliations. 

As I’ve noted <a HREF=”http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/191”>elsewhere</a> on this blog, “Israel is one of the things Americans Jews care about and worry about, but when it is time to exercise our civic responsibilities, what happens here at home is what matters most to us.”



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<p>Study a <a HREF="http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp">list </a> of those attacks and focus on 2001-2003, and it is easy to understand why the  intifada demolished much of the Israeli peace camp, <b>generic viagra</b>.  It was not just the major, <b>Order viagra from canada</b>, storied bombings like those directed at a banquet hall in Netanya, buses and cafes in Jerusalem, the Hebrew University cafeteria, <b>Connecticut CT Conn. </b>, malls and a disco in Tel Aviv.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, There was also a host of attacks, a constant barrage of them, that barely made the news here: in one 5-month period in 2002, <b>buy viagra online without prescription</b>, there were bombings of a bus in Hadera, <b>Acheter viagra bon marché</b>, a bus at the Meron Junction, a bus in French Hill in Jerusalem, the central bus station in Tel Aviv, <b>billige viagra Apotheke</b>, a bus near Afula.  <b>Viagra ordine on-line</b>, There are many reasons for the perpetuation of the occupation, some of them inexcuseable, such as the persistent grip of Jewish settlers on Israel's political system, <b>order viagra online without prescription</b>.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, But one of them is the legitimate Israeli worry that no one will exert control over extremist groups that see nothing wrong with blowing up Israeli women and children. To Weiss and the rest of the unremittingly anti-Israel left, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, when Palestinian terrorism is mentioned at all, it is explained away as understandable resistance to the occupation. In <a HREF=”http://mondoweiss.net/?s=western+demonology”>one blog post</A>, <b>halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Weiss mocks “the centrality of the Palestinian suicide bomber in Western demonology.”  Mostly, <b>Idaho ID </b>, he and his fans ignore what happened to Israelis in the second intifada or the rockets hitting Sderot. I don't meant to imply that they are always wrong when they deplore Israel for over-reacting to Palestinian provocations. But they are wrong to discount the reasons for the reaction, <b>buy generic viagra</b>.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that Palestinians have suffered more than Israelis because of this conflict, <b>viagra over the counter</b>. There is an asymmetry of grief as well as an asymmetry of power.  <b>αγοράσετε viagra</b>, The occupation is immoral as well as illegal. Many more Palestinians than Israelis were killed during the intifada. But the fact remains that about 1, <b>viagra farmacia a buon mercato</b>,000 Israelis died and many more were seriously injured.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, That didn’t happen very long ago. Remembering those Israeli deaths and injuries, and being worried about more deaths and injuries, is not a symptom of psychosis. It is a rational response.</p>
<p>I believe Philip Weiss is making a good faith effort to understand Israelis and their followers in the U.S. He is correct in saying that the "fearful" have too much power, at least in the American Jewish community. But he should understand that there are widows, widowers, orphans, maimed victims and justifiable fears on both sides of the conflict.</p>
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<p>“Has he been to Israel. Does he understand how complex the situation is?”</p>
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<p>“Look, if you’re concerned about him, why not tell him he doesn’t need to leave the fold.  There are liberal Zionists against the occupation. He can still find a home in the pro-Israel community."</p>
<p>“You mean an official of the Israeli government is recommending that someone join J Street, or Americans for Peace Now, or Ameinu. Does the Foreign Ministry know about this?”</p>
<p>(Long pause. Sigh) ”I didn’t even want this posting. I wanted them to send me to Costa Rica.”</p>
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<p><blockquote><strong><em>For those of you in the U.S., you're missing out on the experience of a nation brainwashing itself, <b>order viagra</b>.  <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, The TV and radio reporters, commentators and interviewees are repeating the official line word for word - that Israel was acting in self-defense, <b>order viagra no prescription</b>, <b>Vermont VT Vt. </b>, that the guilty ones were the terrorists on the ship. No one questions whether we have the right to blockade Gaza, <b>cheap viagra online</b>, <b>Cheapest viagra online</b>, no one stops to take in the lopsided death and injury toll - no, once again, <b>New Jersey NJ N.J. </b>, <b>αγοράζουν online viagra</b>, we're the persecuted, they're the persecutors, <b>ordering viagra without prescription</b>.  <b>Koop korting viagra</b>, After interviewing one of the handful of Israeli leftists who demonstrated at Ashdod port, a radio reporter, <b>Hawaii HI </b>, <b>Arkansas AR Ark. </b>, to put things in context, said, <b>comprare viagra sconto</b>, <b>Oklahoma OK Okla. </b>, "He failed to mention that he wouldn't be able to say such things in an Arab country." I was watching the TV news in a hospital waiting room in Ashkelon, and it was like sitting with the home team fans at a game, <b>order viagra c.o.d.</b>.  "Some humanitarian act, some peace activists," said one guy, <b>order cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Jotta viagra verkossa</b>, The announcer says Jordan has condemned Israel, and somebody says, <b>viagra generic</b>, <b>Virginia VA Va. </b>, "Jordan. They kill Palestinians by the dozens." Everybody's on board, <b>order viagra cod</b>, <b>Billige viagra apotek</b>, excuse the pun.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[ The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by Peter Beinart Buy cheap viagra online, in the New York Review of Books.  Köpa viagra online, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by <a HREF="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/?pagination=false">Peter Beinart</A> <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, in the New York Review of Books.  <b>Köpa viagra online</b>, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern for Palestinian dignity."</p>
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<p><blockquote><strong><em>The heads of AIPAC and the Presidents’ Conference should ask themselves what Israel’s leaders would have to do or say to make them scream “no.” After all, Lieberman is foreign minister; Effi Eitam  [a Netanyahu appointee who has openly recommended ethnic cleansing] is touring American universities; settlements are growing at triple the rate of the Israeli population; half of Israeli Jewish high school students want Arabs barred from the Knesset, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Utah UT </b>, If the line has not yet been crossed, where is the line, <b>goedkope viagra apotheek</b>.  <b>Delaware DE Del. </b>, </strong></em></blockquote></p>
<p>There is no line and there never will be.  Asking AIPAC and the most powerful players in the Presidents' Conference to publicly criticize Israeli policy is like asking a dog to play poker, <b>order viagra cod</b>.  <b>Idaho ID </b>, Beinart is urging a violation of the laws of nature, of organizational DNA, <b>Missouri MO Mo. </b>.  <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, AIPAC and the leaders of the Presidents Conference are--and probably always will be--guided by the credo that differences with Israel can be voiced behind closed doors but never in the open air.  <b>Order viagra online</b>, Beinart concludes his essay by urging "American Jewish organizations" to bring to Hillel some of the young Israelis who are regularly protesting the expropriation of Arab housing in Sheikh Jarrah, in East Jerusalem, <b>comprar en línea viagra</b>.  <b>Viagra sale</b>, "What if this was the face of Zionism shown to America's young?" That is a lovely idea but it is mystifying that he somehow expects the hidebound Jewish establishment to make it real.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Americans for Peace Now has posted an excellent summary of the situation in Jerusalem by <A HREF="http://peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=61&fld=620&docid=4657">Hagit Ofran</a> <b>Buy viagra</b>, , the head of Peace Now's Settlement Watch program. It has been on their web site for awhile but is worth repeating here in the land of realistic doves, <b>cheap viagra online legally</b>.  <b>Purchase viagra</b>, It is a scathing critique of the tenure of Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat, asserting that since his election in November 2008, <b>Virginia VA Va. </b>, <b>Vermont VT Vt. </b>, he has been "one of the most faithful allies the East Jerusalem settlers could have...The intensification of settlement activities in East Jerusalem threatens the chances of implementing the two-state solution and might create an irreversible situation that would prevent a compromise in Jerusalem."</p>
<p>Among the valuable tidbits are some responses to common arguments in defense of Israeli behavior in Jerusalem. These are the truths Eli Wiesel either doesn't know or wilfully ignores:</p>
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<p>• "Jews may build in East Jerusalem just as Arabs may build in West Jerusalem."</p>
<p>The truth is it is practically impossible for Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to buy or build houses in West Jerusalem, <b>Iowa IA </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, Most of the lands in Israel are "state lands" and, according to the Israel Land Administration (ILA), <b>købe viagra</b>, <b>New Hampshire NH N.H. </b>, anyone who is not an Israeli citizen (or entitled to immigrate to Israel according to the Law of Return) must obtain a special ILA permit before they can buy or own state lands or apartments built on them (and such permits are issued only in most irregular cases).</p>
<p>• "We plan for Arabs too, not only for settlers."</p>
<p>One of the first issues that Barkat addressed was the promotion of "The King's Garden" plan for the construction of a Biblical park in the Bustan Neighborhood in Silwan, <b>buy viagra</b>.  It was to be built on the ruins of dozens of Palestinian houses that were to be demolished because they were built without permits, <b>cheapest viagra in the world</b>.  <b>Viagra cheap</b>, The plan attracted great international criticism.  Attempting to justify the vast demolitions, <b>ordering viagra</b>, <b>Halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Barkat promised he would promote a grand construction plan for Palestinians near the Bustan park.  At the same time, <b>buy cheap viagra</b>, <b>Viagra generic</b>, Barkat is trying to prevent the execution of an evacuation order issued against Jewish settlers who reside on Jonathan House in Silwan, while vowing again to promote a plan for the legalization of illegal Palestinian houses, <b>billige viagra apotek</b>, <b>Viagra without prescription</b>, including Jonathan House.  <b>Buy viagra</b>, The truth is that even if these plans survive the long and expensive planning process and become valid, there is very little chance for the Palestinians to actually realize them due to difficulties associated with land ownership and many other economic and planning problems.  Past experience shows that when the city attempts to build a settlement (in Ras al-Amud and earlier in Bet Orot in As-Sawane), <b>Louisiana LA </b>, <b>Farmacia viagra baratos</b>, it presents them as running parallel with plans for Arabs.  Eventually, <b>ordering viagra online without prescription</b>, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, in the said case, the Jewish plan was realized, <b>acheter viagra discount</b>, <b>Buy viagra online cheap</b>, but the Palestinian plan was not.</p>
<p>• "House demolitions in East Jerusalem are about law-enforcement and are part of our struggle against illegal construction."</p>
<p>The truth is that houses are built illegally in East Jerusalem as a direct result of the ongoing lack of plans for Palestinians and negligence of some one-third of the Jerusalem residents, <b>cheap viagra pills</b>, <b>Cheap viagra</b>, whon one cannot describe them all as "construction criminals".  Since 1967, <b>Michigan MI Mich. </b>, the government initiated the planning and construction of some 50,000 apartments for Jews in East Jerusalem, while less than 700 such units were initiated for the Palestinians (and only in the 1970's). </strong></blockquote></p>
<p>You can find more myths and facts in an April 27th piece by APN's <a HREF="http://peacenow.org/entries/top_10_barkat_myths">Lara Friedman</A>.</p>
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<p>Dan #2: I would have written the resolution differently.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So why support a document if you’re not sure you agree with parts of it.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, This one also alleges that certain Israeli acts in Gaza were “war crimes.” Isn’t that inaccurate. Don’t you think the standard rules of war are inapplicable to many of the situations Israel faced, where combatants took shelter among civilians.</p>
<p>Dan #2 (pause for a deep deep breath): I am not sure if technically they were war crimes. But Israel put itself in a situation where a great many civilian casualties were inevitable. It didn’t have to make that choice.  The whole enterprise was meant to send the message: “Ba’al ha bayit hishtageyah (the master of the house has gone crazy).” Children were killed as a result, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. They didn’t have to die.</p>
<p>Dan #1:  It’s easy for you to say that from the comfort of your American armchair. In the real world, something had to be done to stop Hamas. C’mon.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Be honest with yourself. You’re just trying to win friends on the left. You want them to think you’re “progressive.”</p>
<p>Dan #2: Maybe. But they won’t like you, and you’re also Dan Fleshler.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So you’re not really taking a stand. You’re just posting both points of view. Isn’t that the coward’s way out.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I don’t see anyone else posting both points of view.  Ambivalent people deserve a voice, too.</p>
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<p>“Oh no!”</p>
<p>“He wants to know why I keep automatically defending your country every time it gets accused of something. He says I look for the facts that help me come to Israel’s defense and ignore all of the other facts, <b>Om viagra online</b>.  He accuses me of not wanting to offend everyone else in the JCRC by being a non-conformist and thinking for myself.”</p>
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<p>“Did you tell him why the blockade is necessary, <b>New York NY N.Y. </b>. That Hamas is a terror organization, <b>North Carolina NC N.C. </b>, and we can’t allow them access to weapons, or materials that could be used to make weapons?”</p>
<p>“Yeah.  <b>Order viagra</b>, And he pointed out that if it were all about keeping out weapons, why is there a blockade of <strong><em>exports</strong></em> from Gaza.  Why don’t you let Gazan workers into Israel, <b>Montana MT Mont. </b>. Why can’t students there get visas to study abroad.  <b>Where to buy cheap viagra</b>, He said Israel wants to keep people living in a wretched state so they’ll blame Hamas. He dared me to defend that and I couldn‘t do it. I didn’t want to do it.”</p>
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<p>“No”</p>
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<p>“…I would be happy to supply you with more talking points. Ask me anytime…</p>
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<p>“Has he been to Israel. Does he understand how complex the situation is?”</p>
<p>“Sure he’s been there. This summer, he went to Bi’lin, on the West Bank, and he saw how the security barrier cut that village in half. So he joined the protestors. I told him that was a mistake…But I didn’t really believe what I was saying, <b>order viagra</b>. Now he’s considering joining the boycotters when he gets back to school. You’ve lost him. But I don’t want to lose him. Forget it.  <b>Order viagra</b>, Enough is enough. The respect of my kid is more important to me than helping your country!”</p>
<p>“Look, if you’re concerned about him, why not tell him he doesn’t need to leave the fold.  There are liberal Zionists against the occupation. He can still find a home in the pro-Israel community."</p>
<p>“You mean an official of the Israeli government is recommending that someone join J Street, or Americans for Peace Now, or Ameinu. Does the Foreign Ministry know about this?”</p>
<p>(Long pause. Sigh) ”I didn’t even want this posting. I wanted them to send me to Costa Rica.”</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In <a HREF="http://www.unityunitarian.org/documents/25may2008.pdf">The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House in Jerusalem</a>, he described an early version of the Middle East peace process industry:

<blockquote>The mediators, the peacemakers, the compromise-shapers,
the comforters
live in the white house
and get their nourishment from far away,
through winding pipes, through dark veins, like a fetus.

And their secretaries are lipsticked and laughing,
and their sturdy chauffeurs wait below, like horses in a stable,
and the trees that shade them have their roots in no-man’s land
and the illusions are children who went out to find cyclamen
in the field
and did not come back.

</blockquote>

After devoting more lines to sadly mocking this nest of illusionists, Amichai concludes:

<blockquote>And hopes come to me like bold seafarers,
like the discoverers of continents coming to an island,
and stay for a day or two
and rest…
And then they set sail.
</blockquote>

There has been an unrelenting barrage of gloomy pronouncements about the Israeli-Palestinian talks. All manner of pundits from the right, left and center have explained why the talks will amount to nothing and might even do more harm than good, why only fools and impractical dreamers would permit our bold seafarers, our hopes, to arrive and remain.

One of the most thorough and convincing critiques comes from <a HREF="http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=864">Donald Horowitz</A>, a scholar who doesn’t seem to have any ax to grind (HT: Tom Mitchell).  On the left, <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/netanyahu-reneges-on-freeze-rabbi-calls-for-plague-to-kill-all-palestinians-on-eve-of-obamas-peace-talks.html">Juan Cole</a> explains “how little Netanyahu is interested in real peace with the Palestinians” and offers compelling reasons to be scornful.  On the right, <a HREF="http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2010/08/pa-authority-incitement-to-kill-israelis-and-destroy-israel">Barry Rubin</a> is equally convincing when he explains how “Palestinian Authority incitement to kill Israelis and destroy Israel” is a “powerful subverter of chances for peace.” (Note that he is talking about the PA, not Hamas).</blockquote>



Just wander around the blogosphere for five minutes and you will find many more.

If you were expecting persuasive rebuttals, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don’t disagree with any of these arguments for gloom. <a HREF=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/want-that-israeli-palesti_b_701239.html>Daniel Levy</a> probably doesn’t disagree either, although he bravely shoulders the burden of showing why the talks might defy expectations and amount to something: 

<blockquote>(T)he main reason for hope rests with the potential that President Obama, having taken ownership of this issue, will pursue decisive leadership down the line. As a candidate, Barack Obama flirted with a definition of pro-Israel that was more sophisticated and more relevant to contemporary realities than the standard fare served up by pandering politicians (at a campaign stop with Jewish leadership in Cleveland, Ohio, he suggested that pro-Israel need not only be defined as pro-Likud. In insisting that a two-state solution and comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace is in the U.S. interest, President Obama is advancing a narrative that was adopted rather late in the day by his predecessor and that is very much the consensus of the U.S. military... 

…The seemingly plodding progress made by the Obama administration thus far can be more generously interpreted as the U.S. methodically walking the parties to a place where decisive U.S. intervention and presentation of U.S. proposals becomes more possible, more justifiable, and more likely to succeed. According to that view, this week represents another and particularly important step in that direction. American officials have openly acknowledged that bridging proposals might be forthcoming and are showing a greater commitment to being present in the room at negotiations than has been the case in past efforts. </blockquote>

That helps. At least it helps a little bit. But even if the PA and Israel astonishingly come to terms under American auspices, given the deep political divisions within both peoples, and given the profound gaps in their narratives, it is unlikely that either party would be able to implement an  agreement that would hold up in the near future.

If there is little hope for the short-term, though, that doesn’t mean the long-term prospects are entirely bleak.  Lately, the popular analogy of this mess to the one in Northern Ireland has been demolished by many different commentators, including Horowitz and Levy. They point out the many differences between the players and the circumstances of the two conflicts.   But they miss the most important point about the Republican-Unionist struggles, a more general and much much less complicated point: eventually, people in both communities just couldn’t take any more violence and turmoil. Eventually, the extremists on both sides decided that violence was counterproductive and gave up their maximalist demands.

Tom Mitchell is one of the few people around with a detailed knowledge of the nuances of both conflicts. In a message he sent to me that will eventually become part of a post, he wrote: “Peace in Northern Ireland came about only after the Republican Movement realized that a military victory was impossible and that there was a political cost to pay for the continued conflict.”

In a subsequent note, he gave one explanation of why the Republicans made that decision, a point that will make the left very uncomfortable: “British, and to a lesser extent Irish, intelligence did a very good job of infiltrating the IRA and INLA during the 1980s and early 1990s and thus were able to neutralize many IRA operations and imprison experienced terrorists.” 

For a host of reasons, somehow both sides eventually grew tired enough to put aside centuries of resentment and bitter memories and sectarian passions.  

There are any number of reasons why that kind of transformation probably won't happen in Israel and the territories. But no one should assert with smug certainty that it will NEVER happen. Nor should anyone try to predict how long it will take. People and nations do change, change utterly. Grand ideologies are discarded and others replace them (e.g., China got fed up with Maoism and embraced free enterprise). Assumptions are overturned. Bitter conflicts somehow end (think France and Germany). That is not a very sophisticated political analysis, but that doesn't make it less true. Right now, I confess it is the only reason for my bold seafarers to hang around.

So I will conclude with Yehuda Amichai, who, unsurprisingly, got it right decades ago. In “Sort of an Apocalypse,” he wrote:


<blockquote>And they’ll beat their swords into plowshares and plowshares into swords, 
And so on and so on, and back and forth. 
Perhaps from being beaten thinner and thinner 
the iron of hatred will vanish forever. </blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a  Pew Research Center poll. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a <a HREF=”http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1781”> Pew Research Center poll</A>. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But <a HREF=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/opinion/21blow.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=charles%20m%20blow&st=cse”>Charles M. Blow’s</A> take on the poll in the New York Times is even more troubling, because it bolsters the canard that American Jews are single-issue voters who judge politicians mainly on the basis of their positions on Israel.  Commenting on Pew’s results, Blow asserts, “This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration’s having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel while `taking special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.’”

Blow devotes much of the article to describing the Obama administration’s rocky relationship with Israel and the extent to which this troubles the Jewish community. 

But he does not even mention the possibility that many Jewish voters are troubled by Obama and the Dems for the same reasons that other voters are troubled: the sorry state of the economy, concerns about the health care initiative, a general feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. And he offers no evidence whatsoever that Obama's dealings with Israel are more important to these voters than domestic matters. 
 
On the contrary, any number of surveys show that Israel-related matters are a relatively low priority for most American Jewish voters. When pollsters from <A HREF=”http://marchpoll.s3.amazonaws.com/J%20Street%20Survey%20March%202010%20Final%20Results.pdf”>Gerstein Agne</A> asked American Jews in March to choose the top two issues they will use to decide their 2010 Congressional votes, Israel ranked 7th. It was deemed to be less important than the economy, health care, the deficit and government spending, Social Security and Medicare, and terrorism and national security. Israel was given the same ranking as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 10% of the respondents chose Israel as one of their top two issues.

Similarly, while Israel’s fate is certainly a concern for most American Jews, an <a HREF=”http://www.forward.com/articles/12257/”>American Jewish Committee poll</a> in November, 2007 revealed that it is an obsession for a tiny minority of Jewish voters:

When asked to pick their most important campaign issue from a list of options, 23% of those surveyed named the economy and jobs, followed by health care (19%), the war in Iraq (16%), terrorism and national security (14%), support for Israel (6%), immigration (6%) and the energy crisis (6%).

Does Israel matter to the American Jews who have jumped ship and joined the Republicans in recent months? Most likely. But nowhere in the results of the Pew poll or any previous survey is there an indication that issues connected to Israel are the most important factors in determining American Jews’ political affiliations. 

As I’ve noted <a HREF=”http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/191”>elsewhere</a> on this blog, “Israel is one of the things Americans Jews care about and worry about, but when it is time to exercise our civic responsibilities, what happens here at home is what matters most to us.”



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<p>I believe Philip Weiss is making a good faith effort to understand Israelis and their followers in the U.S. He is correct in saying that the "fearful" have too much power, at least in the American Jewish community. But he should understand that there are widows, widowers, orphans, maimed victims and justifiable fears on both sides of the conflict.</p>
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<p>(Long, <b>Köpa rabatterade viagra</b>, long pause).  <b>Order viagra</b>, “Si, could we get back to the original topic. Your son should know that the volunteers on that ship were pro-Hamas activists. They were armed with clubs and knives because they wanted a confrontation, <b>Kaufen viagra</b>. That was their choice, <b>Buy viagra no rx</b>, not ours.”</p>
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<p>“Has he been to Israel. Does he understand how complex the situation is?”</p>
<p>“Sure he’s been there. This summer, he went to Bi’lin, on the West Bank, and he saw how the security barrier cut that village in half. So he joined the protestors. I told him that was a mistake…But I didn’t really believe what I was saying, <b>order viagra</b>. Now he’s considering joining the boycotters when he gets back to school. You’ve lost him. But I don’t want to lose him. Forget it.  <b>Order viagra</b>, Enough is enough. The respect of my kid is more important to me than helping your country!”</p>
<p>“Look, if you’re concerned about him, why not tell him he doesn’t need to leave the fold.  There are liberal Zionists against the occupation. He can still find a home in the pro-Israel community."</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by <a HREF="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/?pagination=false">Peter Beinart</A> <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, in the New York Review of Books.  <b>Köpa viagra online</b>, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern for Palestinian dignity."</p>
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<p><blockquote><strong><em>The heads of AIPAC and the Presidents’ Conference should ask themselves what Israel’s leaders would have to do or say to make them scream “no.” After all, Lieberman is foreign minister; Effi Eitam  [a Netanyahu appointee who has openly recommended ethnic cleansing] is touring American universities; settlements are growing at triple the rate of the Israeli population; half of Israeli Jewish high school students want Arabs barred from the Knesset, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Utah UT </b>, If the line has not yet been crossed, where is the line, <b>goedkope viagra apotheek</b>.  <b>Delaware DE Del. </b>, </strong></em></blockquote></p>
<p>There is no line and there never will be.  Asking AIPAC and the most powerful players in the Presidents' Conference to publicly criticize Israeli policy is like asking a dog to play poker, <b>order viagra cod</b>.  <b>Idaho ID </b>, Beinart is urging a violation of the laws of nature, of organizational DNA, <b>Missouri MO Mo. </b>.  <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, AIPAC and the leaders of the Presidents Conference are--and probably always will be--guided by the credo that differences with Israel can be voiced behind closed doors but never in the open air.  <b>Order viagra online</b>, Beinart concludes his essay by urging "American Jewish organizations" to bring to Hillel some of the young Israelis who are regularly protesting the expropriation of Arab housing in Sheikh Jarrah, in East Jerusalem, <b>comprar en línea viagra</b>.  <b>Viagra sale</b>, "What if this was the face of Zionism shown to America's young?" That is a lovely idea but it is mystifying that he somehow expects the hidebound Jewish establishment to make it real.</p>
<p>He ignores the recent growth of a ready-made alternative that already exists, <b>Connecticut CT Conn. </b>, <b>Viagra</b>, a decidedly pro-Israel movement that is willing to be critical of Israeli policies that perpetuate the occupation. I am referring to J Street, <b>acheter viagra</b>, <b>Viagra pharmacy</b>, Americans for Peace Now, Ameinu and other groups that are apparently not on Beinart's radar screen, <b>order viagra c.o.d.</b>.</p>
<p>In Israel, he notes, 'humane, universalistic Zionism does not wield power, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Ordering viagra pills</b>, To the contrary, it is gasping for air." But he hasn't noticed that it is very much alive in the American Jewish community, <b>West Virginia WV W.Va. </b>, <b>Rabatt kaufen viagra</b>, and there are organizations doing a good job of spreading the credo of this blog, i.e., <b>buy viagra no prescription</b>, <b>Ordering viagra no rx</b>, progressive and pro-Israel need not be an oxymoron.  To be sure, the organizations in this camp are still smaller than the groups in the Israel-right-or-wrong crowd. But the organized dovish camp is growing, and it is growing louder.  Beinart's smart essay correctly diagnoses the disease but desparately reaches for a cure among groups like the Presidents Conference and AIPAC, instead of identifying the real sources of hope and health in the American Jewish community.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Americans for Peace Now has posted an excellent summary of the situation in Jerusalem by Hagit Ofran Buy viagra, , the head of Peace Now's Settlement Watch program. It has been on their web site for awhile but is worth repeating here in the land of realistic doves, cheap viagra online legally.  Purchase [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Americans for Peace Now has posted an excellent summary of the situation in Jerusalem by <A HREF="http://peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=61&fld=620&docid=4657">Hagit Ofran</a> <b>Buy viagra</b>, , the head of Peace Now's Settlement Watch program. It has been on their web site for awhile but is worth repeating here in the land of realistic doves, <b>cheap viagra online legally</b>.  <b>Purchase viagra</b>, It is a scathing critique of the tenure of Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat, asserting that since his election in November 2008, <b>Virginia VA Va. </b>, <b>Vermont VT Vt. </b>, he has been "one of the most faithful allies the East Jerusalem settlers could have...The intensification of settlement activities in East Jerusalem threatens the chances of implementing the two-state solution and might create an irreversible situation that would prevent a compromise in Jerusalem."</p>
<p>Among the valuable tidbits are some responses to common arguments in defense of Israeli behavior in Jerusalem. These are the truths Eli Wiesel either doesn't know or wilfully ignores:</p>
<p><blockquote><strong></p>
<p>• "Jews may build in East Jerusalem just as Arabs may build in West Jerusalem."</p>
<p>The truth is it is practically impossible for Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to buy or build houses in West Jerusalem, <b>Iowa IA </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, Most of the lands in Israel are "state lands" and, according to the Israel Land Administration (ILA), <b>købe viagra</b>, <b>New Hampshire NH N.H. </b>, anyone who is not an Israeli citizen (or entitled to immigrate to Israel according to the Law of Return) must obtain a special ILA permit before they can buy or own state lands or apartments built on them (and such permits are issued only in most irregular cases).</p>
<p>• "We plan for Arabs too, not only for settlers."</p>
<p>One of the first issues that Barkat addressed was the promotion of "The King's Garden" plan for the construction of a Biblical park in the Bustan Neighborhood in Silwan, <b>buy viagra</b>.  It was to be built on the ruins of dozens of Palestinian houses that were to be demolished because they were built without permits, <b>cheapest viagra in the world</b>.  <b>Viagra cheap</b>, The plan attracted great international criticism.  Attempting to justify the vast demolitions, <b>ordering viagra</b>, <b>Halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Barkat promised he would promote a grand construction plan for Palestinians near the Bustan park.  At the same time, <b>buy cheap viagra</b>, <b>Viagra generic</b>, Barkat is trying to prevent the execution of an evacuation order issued against Jewish settlers who reside on Jonathan House in Silwan, while vowing again to promote a plan for the legalization of illegal Palestinian houses, <b>billige viagra apotek</b>, <b>Viagra without prescription</b>, including Jonathan House.  <b>Buy viagra</b>, The truth is that even if these plans survive the long and expensive planning process and become valid, there is very little chance for the Palestinians to actually realize them due to difficulties associated with land ownership and many other economic and planning problems.  Past experience shows that when the city attempts to build a settlement (in Ras al-Amud and earlier in Bet Orot in As-Sawane), <b>Louisiana LA </b>, <b>Farmacia viagra baratos</b>, it presents them as running parallel with plans for Arabs.  Eventually, <b>ordering viagra online without prescription</b>, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, in the said case, the Jewish plan was realized, <b>acheter viagra discount</b>, <b>Buy viagra online cheap</b>, but the Palestinian plan was not.</p>
<p>• "House demolitions in East Jerusalem are about law-enforcement and are part of our struggle against illegal construction."</p>
<p>The truth is that houses are built illegally in East Jerusalem as a direct result of the ongoing lack of plans for Palestinians and negligence of some one-third of the Jerusalem residents, <b>cheap viagra pills</b>, <b>Cheap viagra</b>, whon one cannot describe them all as "construction criminals".  Since 1967, <b>Michigan MI Mich. </b>, the government initiated the planning and construction of some 50,000 apartments for Jews in East Jerusalem, while less than 700 such units were initiated for the Palestinians (and only in the 1970's). </strong></blockquote></p>
<p>You can find more myths and facts in an April 27th piece by APN's <a HREF="http://peacenow.org/entries/top_10_barkat_myths">Lara Friedman</A>.</p>
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<p>Dan Fleshler #2: Sometimes one has to stand on one’s principles, <b>District of Columbia DC D.C. </b>.  <b>Discount viagra</b>, Dan #1: What difference would it make. Nobody reads your blog anymore, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.</p>
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<p>Dan #2:  I want to believe the tent is big enough, <b>viagra pills</b>.  <b>Kentucky KY Ky. </b>, I bet many people who participate in J Street’s political actions support this resolution, too, <b>buy viagra</b>. We can agree to disagree and still work together to support evenhanded American policy, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>.  <b>Ordering viagra from canada</b>, Dan #1:  But you’ll be bolstering the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, <b>viagra ordine on-line</b>.  <b>Buy viagra without prescription</b>, They heap abuse on everything related to Israel. Doesn’t that bother you, <b>Kansas KS Kans. </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra no prescription</b>, Dan #2:  I have a problem with a lot of the BDSers because they don’t accept the premise of a Jewish state.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, And it’s wrong to boycott all Israeli institutions, including those that include critics of the occupation. But this resolution doesn’t target Israel as a whole, <b>cheap viagra online cheap</b>.  <b>Oklahoma OK Okla. </b>, It urges Berkeley to divest from two American companies “because of their military support of the occupation of the Palestinian territories.” And it urges the university to “examine its assets” to ensure it is not investing in companies that profit from the occupation.  Well, <b>viagra no prescription</b>, <b>Viagra online kaufen</b>, why not give it a try. Nothing else has stopped Israeli settlement expansion or the kind of behavior Israel exhibited in Gaza, <b>cheap viagra tablets</b>, <b>Viagra online kopen</b>, some of which was appalling.</p>
<p>Dan #1: But this resolution places all blame for the conflict on Israel, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. Its rhetoric could have demonstrated an understanding of the complexity of the situation, <b>bestill viagra online</b>, the fact that two sides have contributed mightily to this mess, but it did not do so. Israel is the only party that’s held accountable.</p>
<p>Dan #2: I would have written the resolution differently.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So why support a document if you’re not sure you agree with parts of it.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, This one also alleges that certain Israeli acts in Gaza were “war crimes.” Isn’t that inaccurate. Don’t you think the standard rules of war are inapplicable to many of the situations Israel faced, where combatants took shelter among civilians.</p>
<p>Dan #2 (pause for a deep deep breath): I am not sure if technically they were war crimes. But Israel put itself in a situation where a great many civilian casualties were inevitable. It didn’t have to make that choice.  The whole enterprise was meant to send the message: “Ba’al ha bayit hishtageyah (the master of the house has gone crazy).” Children were killed as a result, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. They didn’t have to die.</p>
<p>Dan #1:  It’s easy for you to say that from the comfort of your American armchair. In the real world, something had to be done to stop Hamas. C’mon.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Be honest with yourself. You’re just trying to win friends on the left. You want them to think you’re “progressive.”</p>
<p>Dan #2: Maybe. But they won’t like you, and you’re also Dan Fleshler.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So you’re not really taking a stand. You’re just posting both points of view. Isn’t that the coward’s way out.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I don’t see anyone else posting both points of view.  Ambivalent people deserve a voice, too.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been here before, of course. We've been here so many times I've lost count. Most of what needs to be said about the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was expressed in a poem written nearly sixty years ago by the late, truly great Yehuda Amichai. 

In <a HREF="http://www.unityunitarian.org/documents/25may2008.pdf">The U.N. Headquarters Headquarters in the High Commissioner's House in Jerusalem</a>, he described an early version of the Middle East peace process industry:

<blockquote>The mediators, the peacemakers, the compromise-shapers,
the comforters
live in the white house
and get their nourishment from far away,
through winding pipes, through dark veins, like a fetus.

And their secretaries are lipsticked and laughing,
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and the trees that shade them have their roots in no-man’s land
and the illusions are children who went out to find cyclamen
in the field
and did not come back.

</blockquote>

After devoting more lines to sadly mocking this nest of illusionists, Amichai concludes:

<blockquote>And hopes come to me like bold seafarers,
like the discoverers of continents coming to an island,
and stay for a day or two
and rest…
And then they set sail.
</blockquote>

There has been an unrelenting barrage of gloomy pronouncements about the Israeli-Palestinian talks. All manner of pundits from the right, left and center have explained why the talks will amount to nothing and might even do more harm than good, why only fools and impractical dreamers would permit our bold seafarers, our hopes, to arrive and remain.

One of the most thorough and convincing critiques comes from <a HREF="http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=864">Donald Horowitz</A>, a scholar who doesn’t seem to have any ax to grind (HT: Tom Mitchell).  On the left, <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/netanyahu-reneges-on-freeze-rabbi-calls-for-plague-to-kill-all-palestinians-on-eve-of-obamas-peace-talks.html">Juan Cole</a> explains “how little Netanyahu is interested in real peace with the Palestinians” and offers compelling reasons to be scornful.  On the right, <a HREF="http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2010/08/pa-authority-incitement-to-kill-israelis-and-destroy-israel">Barry Rubin</a> is equally convincing when he explains how “Palestinian Authority incitement to kill Israelis and destroy Israel” is a “powerful subverter of chances for peace.” (Note that he is talking about the PA, not Hamas).</blockquote>



Just wander around the blogosphere for five minutes and you will find many more.

If you were expecting persuasive rebuttals, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don’t disagree with any of these arguments for gloom. <a HREF=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/want-that-israeli-palesti_b_701239.html>Daniel Levy</a> probably doesn’t disagree either, although he bravely shoulders the burden of showing why the talks might defy expectations and amount to something: 

<blockquote>(T)he main reason for hope rests with the potential that President Obama, having taken ownership of this issue, will pursue decisive leadership down the line. As a candidate, Barack Obama flirted with a definition of pro-Israel that was more sophisticated and more relevant to contemporary realities than the standard fare served up by pandering politicians (at a campaign stop with Jewish leadership in Cleveland, Ohio, he suggested that pro-Israel need not only be defined as pro-Likud. In insisting that a two-state solution and comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace is in the U.S. interest, President Obama is advancing a narrative that was adopted rather late in the day by his predecessor and that is very much the consensus of the U.S. military... 

…The seemingly plodding progress made by the Obama administration thus far can be more generously interpreted as the U.S. methodically walking the parties to a place where decisive U.S. intervention and presentation of U.S. proposals becomes more possible, more justifiable, and more likely to succeed. According to that view, this week represents another and particularly important step in that direction. American officials have openly acknowledged that bridging proposals might be forthcoming and are showing a greater commitment to being present in the room at negotiations than has been the case in past efforts. </blockquote>

That helps. At least it helps a little bit. But even if the PA and Israel astonishingly come to terms under American auspices, given the deep political divisions within both peoples, and given the profound gaps in their narratives, it is unlikely that either party would be able to implement an  agreement that would hold up in the near future.

If there is little hope for the short-term, though, that doesn’t mean the long-term prospects are entirely bleak.  Lately, the popular analogy of this mess to the one in Northern Ireland has been demolished by many different commentators, including Horowitz and Levy. They point out the many differences between the players and the circumstances of the two conflicts.   But they miss the most important point about the Republican-Unionist struggles, a more general and much much less complicated point: eventually, people in both communities just couldn’t take any more violence and turmoil. Eventually, the extremists on both sides decided that violence was counterproductive and gave up their maximalist demands.

Tom Mitchell is one of the few people around with a detailed knowledge of the nuances of both conflicts. In a message he sent to me that will eventually become part of a post, he wrote: “Peace in Northern Ireland came about only after the Republican Movement realized that a military victory was impossible and that there was a political cost to pay for the continued conflict.”

In a subsequent note, he gave one explanation of why the Republicans made that decision, a point that will make the left very uncomfortable: “British, and to a lesser extent Irish, intelligence did a very good job of infiltrating the IRA and INLA during the 1980s and early 1990s and thus were able to neutralize many IRA operations and imprison experienced terrorists.” 

For a host of reasons, somehow both sides eventually grew tired enough to put aside centuries of resentment and bitter memories and sectarian passions.  

There are any number of reasons why that kind of transformation probably won't happen in Israel and the territories. But no one should assert with smug certainty that it will NEVER happen. Nor should anyone try to predict how long it will take. People and nations do change, change utterly. Grand ideologies are discarded and others replace them (e.g., China got fed up with Maoism and embraced free enterprise). Assumptions are overturned. Bitter conflicts somehow end (think France and Germany). That is not a very sophisticated political analysis, but that doesn't make it less true. Right now, I confess it is the only reason for my bold seafarers to hang around.

So I will conclude with Yehuda Amichai, who, unsurprisingly, got it right decades ago. In “Sort of an Apocalypse,” he wrote:


<blockquote>And they’ll beat their swords into plowshares and plowshares into swords, 
And so on and so on, and back and forth. 
Perhaps from being beaten thinner and thinner 
the iron of hatred will vanish forever. </blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a  Pew Research Center poll. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But Charles M. Blow’s take on the poll in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[More and more Jewish voters are deserting the Democratic party, according to a <a HREF=”http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1781”> Pew Research Center poll</A>. The survey shows that 33% of American Jewish voters now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

That’s interesting and troubling to a died-in-the-wool Democrat like me. But <a HREF=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/opinion/21blow.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=charles%20m%20blow&st=cse”>Charles M. Blow’s</A> take on the poll in the New York Times is even more troubling, because it bolsters the canard that American Jews are single-issue voters who judge politicians mainly on the basis of their positions on Israel.  Commenting on Pew’s results, Blow asserts, “This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration’s having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel while `taking special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.’”

Blow devotes much of the article to describing the Obama administration’s rocky relationship with Israel and the extent to which this troubles the Jewish community. 

But he does not even mention the possibility that many Jewish voters are troubled by Obama and the Dems for the same reasons that other voters are troubled: the sorry state of the economy, concerns about the health care initiative, a general feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. And he offers no evidence whatsoever that Obama's dealings with Israel are more important to these voters than domestic matters. 
 
On the contrary, any number of surveys show that Israel-related matters are a relatively low priority for most American Jewish voters. When pollsters from <A HREF=”http://marchpoll.s3.amazonaws.com/J%20Street%20Survey%20March%202010%20Final%20Results.pdf”>Gerstein Agne</A> asked American Jews in March to choose the top two issues they will use to decide their 2010 Congressional votes, Israel ranked 7th. It was deemed to be less important than the economy, health care, the deficit and government spending, Social Security and Medicare, and terrorism and national security. Israel was given the same ranking as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 10% of the respondents chose Israel as one of their top two issues.

Similarly, while Israel’s fate is certainly a concern for most American Jews, an <a HREF=”http://www.forward.com/articles/12257/”>American Jewish Committee poll</a> in November, 2007 revealed that it is an obsession for a tiny minority of Jewish voters:

When asked to pick their most important campaign issue from a list of options, 23% of those surveyed named the economy and jobs, followed by health care (19%), the war in Iraq (16%), terrorism and national security (14%), support for Israel (6%), immigration (6%) and the energy crisis (6%).

Does Israel matter to the American Jews who have jumped ship and joined the Republicans in recent months? Most likely. But nowhere in the results of the Pew poll or any previous survey is there an indication that issues connected to Israel are the most important factors in determining American Jews’ political affiliations. 

As I’ve noted <a HREF=”http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/191”>elsewhere</a> on this blog, “Israel is one of the things Americans Jews care about and worry about, but when it is time to exercise our civic responsibilities, what happens here at home is what matters most to us.”



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<p>Study a <a HREF="http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp">list </a> of those attacks and focus on 2001-2003, and it is easy to understand why the  intifada demolished much of the Israeli peace camp, <b>generic viagra</b>.  It was not just the major, <b>Order viagra from canada</b>, storied bombings like those directed at a banquet hall in Netanya, buses and cafes in Jerusalem, the Hebrew University cafeteria, <b>Connecticut CT Conn. </b>, malls and a disco in Tel Aviv.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, There was also a host of attacks, a constant barrage of them, that barely made the news here: in one 5-month period in 2002, <b>buy viagra online without prescription</b>, there were bombings of a bus in Hadera, <b>Acheter viagra bon marché</b>, a bus at the Meron Junction, a bus in French Hill in Jerusalem, the central bus station in Tel Aviv, <b>billige viagra Apotheke</b>, a bus near Afula.  <b>Viagra ordine on-line</b>, There are many reasons for the perpetuation of the occupation, some of them inexcuseable, such as the persistent grip of Jewish settlers on Israel's political system, <b>order viagra online without prescription</b>.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, But one of them is the legitimate Israeli worry that no one will exert control over extremist groups that see nothing wrong with blowing up Israeli women and children. To Weiss and the rest of the unremittingly anti-Israel left, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, when Palestinian terrorism is mentioned at all, it is explained away as understandable resistance to the occupation. In <a HREF=”http://mondoweiss.net/?s=western+demonology”>one blog post</A>, <b>halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Weiss mocks “the centrality of the Palestinian suicide bomber in Western demonology.”  Mostly, <b>Idaho ID </b>, he and his fans ignore what happened to Israelis in the second intifada or the rockets hitting Sderot. I don't meant to imply that they are always wrong when they deplore Israel for over-reacting to Palestinian provocations. But they are wrong to discount the reasons for the reaction, <b>buy generic viagra</b>.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that Palestinians have suffered more than Israelis because of this conflict, <b>viagra over the counter</b>. There is an asymmetry of grief as well as an asymmetry of power.  <b>αγοράσετε viagra</b>, The occupation is immoral as well as illegal. Many more Palestinians than Israelis were killed during the intifada. But the fact remains that about 1, <b>viagra farmacia a buon mercato</b>,000 Israelis died and many more were seriously injured.  <b>Viagra over the counter</b>, That didn’t happen very long ago. Remembering those Israeli deaths and injuries, and being worried about more deaths and injuries, is not a symptom of psychosis. It is a rational response.</p>
<p>I believe Philip Weiss is making a good faith effort to understand Israelis and their followers in the U.S. He is correct in saying that the "fearful" have too much power, at least in the American Jewish community. But he should understand that there are widows, widowers, orphans, maimed victims and justifiable fears on both sides of the conflict.</p>
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<p>“I’m afraid the Consulate will need to get someone else.  <b>South Carolina SC S.C. </b>, I’m calling to tell you I can’t help anymore. I’m too upset…”</p>
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<p>“Look, if you’re concerned about him, why not tell him he doesn’t need to leave the fold.  There are liberal Zionists against the occupation. He can still find a home in the pro-Israel community."</p>
<p>“You mean an official of the Israeli government is recommending that someone join J Street, or Americans for Peace Now, or Ameinu. Does the Foreign Ministry know about this?”</p>
<p>(Long pause. Sigh) ”I didn’t even want this posting. I wanted them to send me to Costa Rica.”</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by <a HREF="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/?pagination=false">Peter Beinart</A> <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, in the New York Review of Books.  <b>Köpa viagra online</b>, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern for Palestinian dignity."</p>
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<p><blockquote><strong><em>The heads of AIPAC and the Presidents’ Conference should ask themselves what Israel’s leaders would have to do or say to make them scream “no.” After all, Lieberman is foreign minister; Effi Eitam  [a Netanyahu appointee who has openly recommended ethnic cleansing] is touring American universities; settlements are growing at triple the rate of the Israeli population; half of Israeli Jewish high school students want Arabs barred from the Knesset, <b>buy cheap viagra online</b>.  <b>Utah UT </b>, If the line has not yet been crossed, where is the line, <b>goedkope viagra apotheek</b>.  <b>Delaware DE Del. </b>, </strong></em></blockquote></p>
<p>There is no line and there never will be.  Asking AIPAC and the most powerful players in the Presidents' Conference to publicly criticize Israeli policy is like asking a dog to play poker, <b>order viagra cod</b>.  <b>Idaho ID </b>, Beinart is urging a violation of the laws of nature, of organizational DNA, <b>Missouri MO Mo. </b>.  <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, AIPAC and the leaders of the Presidents Conference are--and probably always will be--guided by the credo that differences with Israel can be voiced behind closed doors but never in the open air.  <b>Order viagra online</b>, Beinart concludes his essay by urging "American Jewish organizations" to bring to Hillel some of the young Israelis who are regularly protesting the expropriation of Arab housing in Sheikh Jarrah, in East Jerusalem, <b>comprar en línea viagra</b>.  <b>Viagra sale</b>, "What if this was the face of Zionism shown to America's young?" That is a lovely idea but it is mystifying that he somehow expects the hidebound Jewish establishment to make it real.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Americans for Peace Now has posted an excellent summary of the situation in Jerusalem by <A HREF="http://peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=61&fld=620&docid=4657">Hagit Ofran</a> <b>Buy viagra</b>, , the head of Peace Now's Settlement Watch program. It has been on their web site for awhile but is worth repeating here in the land of realistic doves, <b>cheap viagra online legally</b>.  <b>Purchase viagra</b>, It is a scathing critique of the tenure of Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat, asserting that since his election in November 2008, <b>Virginia VA Va. </b>, <b>Vermont VT Vt. </b>, he has been "one of the most faithful allies the East Jerusalem settlers could have...The intensification of settlement activities in East Jerusalem threatens the chances of implementing the two-state solution and might create an irreversible situation that would prevent a compromise in Jerusalem."</p>
<p>Among the valuable tidbits are some responses to common arguments in defense of Israeli behavior in Jerusalem. These are the truths Eli Wiesel either doesn't know or wilfully ignores:</p>
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<p>• "Jews may build in East Jerusalem just as Arabs may build in West Jerusalem."</p>
<p>The truth is it is practically impossible for Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to buy or build houses in West Jerusalem, <b>Iowa IA </b>.  <b>Ordering viagra online cheap</b>, Most of the lands in Israel are "state lands" and, according to the Israel Land Administration (ILA), <b>købe viagra</b>, <b>New Hampshire NH N.H. </b>, anyone who is not an Israeli citizen (or entitled to immigrate to Israel according to the Law of Return) must obtain a special ILA permit before they can buy or own state lands or apartments built on them (and such permits are issued only in most irregular cases).</p>
<p>• "We plan for Arabs too, not only for settlers."</p>
<p>One of the first issues that Barkat addressed was the promotion of "The King's Garden" plan for the construction of a Biblical park in the Bustan Neighborhood in Silwan, <b>buy viagra</b>.  It was to be built on the ruins of dozens of Palestinian houses that were to be demolished because they were built without permits, <b>cheapest viagra in the world</b>.  <b>Viagra cheap</b>, The plan attracted great international criticism.  Attempting to justify the vast demolitions, <b>ordering viagra</b>, <b>Halvalla viagra apteekki</b>, Barkat promised he would promote a grand construction plan for Palestinians near the Bustan park.  At the same time, <b>buy cheap viagra</b>, <b>Viagra generic</b>, Barkat is trying to prevent the execution of an evacuation order issued against Jewish settlers who reside on Jonathan House in Silwan, while vowing again to promote a plan for the legalization of illegal Palestinian houses, <b>billige viagra apotek</b>, <b>Viagra without prescription</b>, including Jonathan House.  <b>Buy viagra</b>, The truth is that even if these plans survive the long and expensive planning process and become valid, there is very little chance for the Palestinians to actually realize them due to difficulties associated with land ownership and many other economic and planning problems.  Past experience shows that when the city attempts to build a settlement (in Ras al-Amud and earlier in Bet Orot in As-Sawane), <b>Louisiana LA </b>, <b>Farmacia viagra baratos</b>, it presents them as running parallel with plans for Arabs.  Eventually, <b>ordering viagra online without prescription</b>, <b>Order viagra no rx</b>, in the said case, the Jewish plan was realized, <b>acheter viagra discount</b>, <b>Buy viagra online cheap</b>, but the Palestinian plan was not.</p>
<p>• "House demolitions in East Jerusalem are about law-enforcement and are part of our struggle against illegal construction."</p>
<p>The truth is that houses are built illegally in East Jerusalem as a direct result of the ongoing lack of plans for Palestinians and negligence of some one-third of the Jerusalem residents, <b>cheap viagra pills</b>, <b>Cheap viagra</b>, whon one cannot describe them all as "construction criminals".  Since 1967, <b>Michigan MI Mich. </b>, the government initiated the planning and construction of some 50,000 apartments for Jews in East Jerusalem, while less than 700 such units were initiated for the Palestinians (and only in the 1970's). </strong></blockquote></p>
<p>You can find more myths and facts in an April 27th piece by APN's <a HREF="http://peacenow.org/entries/top_10_barkat_myths">Lara Friedman</A>.</p>
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<p>Dan #1: But this resolution places all blame for the conflict on Israel, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. Its rhetoric could have demonstrated an understanding of the complexity of the situation, <b>bestill viagra online</b>, the fact that two sides have contributed mightily to this mess, but it did not do so. Israel is the only party that’s held accountable.</p>
<p>Dan #2: I would have written the resolution differently.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So why support a document if you’re not sure you agree with parts of it.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, This one also alleges that certain Israeli acts in Gaza were “war crimes.” Isn’t that inaccurate. Don’t you think the standard rules of war are inapplicable to many of the situations Israel faced, where combatants took shelter among civilians.</p>
<p>Dan #2 (pause for a deep deep breath): I am not sure if technically they were war crimes. But Israel put itself in a situation where a great many civilian casualties were inevitable. It didn’t have to make that choice.  The whole enterprise was meant to send the message: “Ba’al ha bayit hishtageyah (the master of the house has gone crazy).” Children were killed as a result, <b>order viagra without prescription</b>. They didn’t have to die.</p>
<p>Dan #1:  It’s easy for you to say that from the comfort of your American armchair. In the real world, something had to be done to stop Hamas. C’mon.  <b>Order viagra without prescription</b>, Be honest with yourself. You’re just trying to win friends on the left. You want them to think you’re “progressive.”</p>
<p>Dan #2: Maybe. But they won’t like you, and you’re also Dan Fleshler.</p>
<p>Dan #1: So you’re not really taking a stand. You’re just posting both points of view. Isn’t that the coward’s way out.</p>
<p>Dan #2:  I don’t see anyone else posting both points of view.  Ambivalent people deserve a voice, too.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The blogosphere is buzzing about an essay by <a HREF="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/?pagination=false">Peter Beinart</A> <b>Buy cheap viagra online</b>, in the New York Review of Books.  <b>Köpa viagra online</b>, Beinart convincingly denounces the Israel-right-or-wrong mantra of mainstream American Jewish organizations. He is justifiably worried about the future of "an American Zionist movement that does not even feign concern for Palestinian dignity."</p>
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